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Re: I have some questions [Re: Tom] #122644
01/06/10 12:41 AM
01/06/10 12:41 AM
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It sounds like you're saying pre-conversion repentance is different than post-conversion repentance. If so, how so?

Re: I have some questions [Re: Mountain Man] #122647
01/06/10 02:53 AM
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The pre-conversion repentance described in the SC quotation you described is for someone who is not a child of God. Such a repentance involves an entire change of life. A child of God is born again, and may fall, but such would repentance would necessarily be of a different character, since the person already knows God, and is a child of God. Make sense?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: I have some questions [Re: Tom] #122657
01/06/10 02:30 PM
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Yes, it makes sense. But in what way does repentance differ before and after rebirth? Is it less concise, less specific, less heartfelt, less life changing, less necessary? Or, are all thing equal in these ways?

Re: I have some questions [Re: Mountain Man] #122665
01/06/10 06:03 PM
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You should be able to answer these questions by experience.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: I have some questions [Re: Tom] #122682
01/07/10 03:44 PM
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Repentance deepens! But your unwillingness to answer my questions is less than endearing. I have no idea what you believe. It is my goal to understand your position.

Re: I have some questions [Re: Mountain Man] #122697
01/07/10 05:41 PM
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I answered your questions. Except for this last one, I answered in my own words. This last one I answered by saying you should know by considering your own experience.

Regarding understanding my position, I stated it. Repentance represents a change of mind, a change of direction. That's it in a nutshell. I went in more detail in previous posts.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: I have some questions [Re: Tom] #122820
01/11/10 02:47 AM
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Since the title of this topic is “I have some questions”, now I’m stepping in a new question, please read these verses:

Matthew 16:19 – I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

John 20: 22, 23 - 22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

SDA’s are keen to preach about the RC’s doctrines which are against the bible teaching, including me. We said that Jesus is the only mediator between men and God, and if we want to ask our sins to be forgiven, then we must ask directly to God, not to the pastor.

RC doctrine is that people must go to their pastor for asking God forgiveness, and we are greatly against it. But, read the texts above, didn’t they (RC pastors, pontiff’s) has the right to do it? We can not blame them for that, and making this as one of all other signs of the great Babylon.

What do you think?

In His love

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Re: I have some questions [Re: James Saptenno] #122837
01/11/10 07:34 PM
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Quote:
Whosesoever sins ye remit," said Christ, "they are remitted; . . . and whosesoever sins ye retain, they are retained." Christ here gives no liberty for any man to pass judgment upon others. In the Sermon on the Mount He forbade this.

It is the prerogative of God. But on the church in its organized capacity He places a responsibility for the individual members. Toward those who fall into sin, the church has a duty, to warn, to instruct, and if possible to restore. "Reprove, rebuke, exhort," the Lord says, "with all long-suffering and doctrine." 2 Timothy 4:2.

Deal faithfully with wrongdoing. Warn every soul that is in danger. Leave none to deceive themselves. Call sin by its right name. Declare what God has said in regard to lying, Sabbathbreaking, stealing, idolatry, and every other evil. "They which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." Galatians 5:21.

If they persist in sin, the judgment you have declared from God's word is pronounced upon them in heaven. In choosing to sin, they disown Christ; the church must show that she does not sanction their deeds, or she herself dishonors her Lord. She must say about sin what God says about it. She must deal with it as God directs, and her action is ratified in heaven. He who despises the authority of the church despises the authority of Christ Himself. (DA 805-806)


This seems like quite a good explanation to me.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: I have some questions [Re: Tom] #122866
01/13/10 12:54 AM
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Tom, so you believe "repentance" is a "change of mind". Do you think it involves confession and forgiveness?

Re: I have some questions [Re: Mountain Man] #122867
01/13/10 12:55 AM
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James, I agree with the quote Tom posted.

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