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Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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So, James, you believe that having the law is the same as keeping it? Not really! The Jews in the parable have the law but didn't keep it.
Furthermore, you believe the Samaritans did not have the law?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
Yes! If you think otherwise, can you prove it? In His love
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Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come
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James, The Samaritans were the people that remained of Israel (the "northern kingdom"). As such, if they did not know the law, or possess it, they had little excuse. They worshiped the same God which the Jews did, and would have worshiped in the same temple had the Jews permitted them. But in their hatred of their "wayward cousins," the Jews forbad the Samaritans from entering their synagogues on pain of death. When the temple at Jerusalem was rebuilt in the days of Ezra, the Samaritans wished to join the Jews in its erection. This privilege was refused them, and a bitter animosity sprang up between the two peoples. The Samaritans built a rival temple on Mount Gerizim. Here they worshiped in accordance with the Mosaic ritual, though they did not wholly renounce idolatry. But disasters attended them, their temple was destroyed by their enemies, and they seemed to be under a curse; yet they still clung to their traditions and their forms of worship....{DA 188.3} Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come
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M: Do you think God views people like Saul (pre-converted Paul) in terms of perfectly obeying the law? It would mean they are sinless, guiltless in the sight of God. Do you think God considered Saul sinless, guiltless? If not, why not?
J: Saul of Tarsus is a perfect law keeper but loveless. The good Samaritan has shown his love to his neighbor although not keeping the law. Who do you think of both is a law keeper? James, do you think God viewed Saul as sinless, guiltless, and as one who perfectly obeyed the law?
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Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come
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M: Do you think God views people like Saul (pre-converted Paul) in terms of perfectly obeying the law? It would mean they are sinless, guiltless in the sight of God. Do you think God considered Saul sinless, guiltless? If not, why not?
J: Saul of Tarsus is a perfect law keeper but loveless. The good Samaritan has shown his love to his neighbor although not keeping the law. Who do you think of both is a law keeper? James, do you think God viewed Saul as sinless, guiltless, and as one who perfectly obeyed the law? Saul is a perfect law keeper, he admitted it himself, he though that he is righteous for his deeds is perfect according to the law. But his deeds without Christ is just filthy rags. God could not justify him, although he is perfect according to the letter of the law. He missed the spirit, his unbelieving. Thus, I knew, keeping the law perfectly without Christ is useless, but keeping Christ in heart without law would not make you lost. In His love.
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Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come
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James,
Do you have a reference for Paul/Saul keeping the law perfectly? Where does he claim this?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come
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M: James, do you think God viewed Saul as sinless, guiltless, and as one who perfectly obeyed the law?
J: Saul is a perfect law keeper, he admitted it himself, he though that he is righteous for his deeds is perfect according to the law. But his deeds without Christ is just filthy rags. God could not justify him, although he is perfect according to the letter of the law. He missed the spirit, his unbelieving. Thus, I knew, keeping the law perfectly without Christ is useless, but keeping Christ in heart without law would not make you lost. James, do you agree with me when I say God did not view Saul as someone who kept the law perfectly? Do you agree with me when I say the letter of the law requires people to love God and mankind?
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Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come
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James,
Do you have a reference for Paul/Saul keeping the law perfectly? Where does he claim this?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. Philippians 3:6 - concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. (NKJV)
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Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come
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M: James, do you think God viewed Saul as sinless, guiltless, and as one who perfectly obeyed the law?
J: Saul is a perfect law keeper, he admitted it himself, he though that he is righteous for his deeds is perfect according to the law. But his deeds without Christ is just filthy rags. God could not justify him, although he is perfect according to the letter of the law. He missed the spirit, his unbelieving. Thus, I knew, keeping the law perfectly without Christ is useless, but keeping Christ in heart without law would not make you lost. James, do you agree with me when I say God did not view Saul as someone who kept the law perfectly? Do you agree with me when I say the letter of the law requires people to love God and mankind? No, I don't agree at all!
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Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come
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James, thank you for answering my questions so enthusiastically. However, I am surprised you believe God viewed Saul's law keeping as perfect. I am even more surprised you believe the law does not require love to God and mankind.
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Re: Text proves that Sabbath still exist and is still valid till Jesus come
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James, thank you for answering my questions so enthusiastically. However, I am surprised you believe God viewed Saul's law keeping as perfect. I am even more surprised you believe the law does not require love to God and mankind. Oops, sorry, I misread your questions. The 1st one I agree with you, what I meant is that I do not agree with the idea that God viewed Saul as a perfect law keeper. The 2nd question however, I don't agree with you because what is written is not to love God and mankind, to love is unwritten, it is the spirit of the law. In His love
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