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The truth about the KJV only argument #79696
09/29/06 09:29 AM
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Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: The truth about the KJV only argument #79697
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This is an interesting article from the adventist biblical research archives.





This seems to be a volatile subject in some quarters. I am grateful for the EGW definition of inspiration and her use of various versions, or we'd be in deep water as an international movement proclaiming the Advent message to the whole world


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: The truth about the KJV only argument [Re: Johann] #82884
12/20/06 12:51 PM
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Has anybody looked over the links provided in this topic?

If so, do you have any comments pertaining to what is contained in those links?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: The truth about the KJV only argument [Re: Daryl] #82937
12/21/06 10:37 PM
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For about half a century I have taught and presented the precious Advent Messsage to people in five different languages, plus several more where I had to use an interpreter. I would have been severely handicapped if the Advent Message had been limited to those people who have access to and understand the English King James version of the Bible.

For those who understand and read the KJV it is a most impressive and beautiful language, and I appreciate it very much. But SDA is a world-wide movement and to be preached to all people in the verious languages of the world. I have often found it much easier to present the whole Advent message when using one of the Bibles available in other languages that are not based on the KJV.

This reminds me of people's reaction when a new evangelist arrived in Iceland a number of years ago. I heard some of the older saints complain that this preacher was not presenting the Advent message the way they had learned it. In former days the long-time pastor had always presented the message with his own illustrations, such as the new birth with planting and growing potatoes. He pointed out how the old potato had to die so that the new potatoes could grow.

The visiting evangelist used his own illustrations, and therefore the old-timers thought he was proclaiming another message, and did not like it. To some of them he was not a real Seventh-day Adventist.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: The truth about the KJV only argument [Re: Johann] #82940
12/22/06 01:44 AM
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Good point, Pastor Johann.

I personally think this is in reference to the English language rather than all the other obviously necessary languages of the world.

Remember, the original language/s of the Bible wasn't/weren't even English in the first place.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: The truth about the KJV only argument [Re: Daryl] #83326
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Daryl,

I this topic, i would say a few things.

1. the first is poorly translated bible better then no bible?

2. IF for example the NIV(or any other newer translation) had been the translation done 400 years ago and the KJV was the new kid on the block would not we be having this same discussion just flipped on it head.

3. I often wonder if the strongly KJV crowd is doubting the power of God to protect HIS word.

Just thoughts to thing about.


Erik

Re: The truth about the KJV only argument [Re: winddoor] #124092
03/17/10 06:52 PM
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It's a long time replying to this last post, however, I think it does deserve a reply, therefore, I am bumping this thread.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

http://www.christians-discuss.com/forum/index.php
Re: The truth about the KJV only argument [Re: Daryl] #124109
03/18/10 03:56 PM
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I think it's good to take advantage of as many translations as possible. The KJV has some good things going for it, including it's an actual translation, whereas others, like the NIV, tend more towards being a paraphrase. Another thing is that it used the Textus Receptus, or received text, which, for example, has the story of the woman caught in adultery, whereas the NIV says something like "the most reliable manuscripts don't have this story," so reading the NIV leaves you wondering what should be in Scripture and what shouldn't be.

Of course a disadvantage of the KJV is the language is archaic. The NKJV helps in this regard.

If I could only read one Bible, I'd choose the KJV over the NIV, but thankfully, I'm not restrained to only use one version. Some things the NIV translates wonderfully. Again, I think it's good to consider all the versions one can look at.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: The truth about the KJV only argument [Re: Tom] #124129
03/19/10 02:34 PM
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I think some good points have been raised. To say that the English KJV is the best borders on racism. Hebrew and Greek would be the best, but then you have different manuscripts. The commentary states that John chapters 7:53 to 8:11 appears in only one of the early uncial manuscripts and the "large majority of the Old Latin manuscripts do not have it". This seems to agree with the NIV statement.

Where does that leave us? Back to reading a number of different versions, understanding the general message of the Bible, and not basing one's religion on any one version or any one verse. The commentary is full of comments such as, "rather", "better translated as", etc. Which still doesn't mean another version is "better". Neither should one say a certain version is better because it has "less" errors. What would they be compared to?

To say one version is the only one would be to say that God only protected one and not the others. Obviously, there are "errors" in all of them. But then, some would say there are errors between the gospel stories. Some say that in John, the Word became a god. They are basing their religion on an indefinite article. Reading the chapter in context, comparing to the rest of the Bible, especially the parts about one God and having no other gods before Him makes it clear to me.

Comparing scripture with scripture, both within and between versions seems to be the best approach.

Re: The truth about the KJV only argument [Re: Johann] #124161
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Some of the churches I have visited [I was an over road trucker for 25years] show that it hasn't changed much. People still cling to certain ways of doing things as the only way.


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