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And in each of these periods, it is preceded by time of darkness. But there will be an increase of knowledge. Bible quote:
Isaiah 60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
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Re: Bible Study Method's - Methods used by Jeff Pippenger
[Re: lco]
#125718 06/03/1002:43 PM06/03/1002:43 PM
The work of God in the earth presents, from age to age, a striking similarity in every great reformation or religious movement. The principles of God's dealing with men are ever the same. The important movements of the present have their parallel in those of the past, and the experience of the church in former ages has lessons of great value for our own time. {GC88 343.1}
These periods are strikingly similar but not exactly identical. There are small differences.
Now the three periods that SOP compares most often are:
1 - The time period of Jesus
2 - The time period of the Millerites
3 - and our time period.
If you read the SOP writings, she compares these time periods over and over and over and over again.
So in these time periods, the message begins at the time of the end but it is empowered at a certain time.
And this is absolutely critical to understand the empowerment of the message, because when the message is empowered, the testing time begins and Judgement will soon take place. If you go back to the first post, that is part of the reason why the sadness that had befallen Jesus was so intense. The Jews had failed to realize that their day of visitation had arrived. And that history is going to be repeated in our day.
And in these three periods (as well as some others), the message is empowered when a heavenly being comes down. (The brother that did the 1st graphic is German, and where he puts the empowerment in the time of Jesus, it should say Holy Spirit comes down as a Dove)
Re: Bible Study Method's - Methods used by Jeff Pippenger
[Re: lco]
#125719 06/03/1003:40 PM06/03/1003:40 PM
The other reformatory movements have some very very important lessons but here are the ones that SOP compares most often.
"If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes. For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, and shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation." Luke 19:42-44. {GC 17.1}
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Re: Bible Study Method's - Methods used by Jeff Pippenger
[Re: Elle]
#125725 06/03/1009:12 PM06/03/1009:12 PM
I don't know how to do the quote showing what Elle wrote but here is the quote from Elle - "Well, I hope you can back up what you say with the Bible. I don't believe that you can remove the seal with the SOP. It will be ONLY through Christ Jesus' direct teachings."
The bible (Word of God) tells us plainly that God's chosen people will have the testimony of Christ, or in other words the spirit of prophecy. No one on earth has authority to now say, God's people do not have the spirit of prophecy or testimony of Christ. If you look at the bible, God's people have always had a prophet.
If you look at the doctrines (truths that the church upholds and promotes) number 18 specifically says that Ellen G White is our prophet.
So the only logical question would be, are you a member of a false church?
Re: Bible Study Method's - Methods used by Jeff Pippenger
[Re: lco]
#125746 06/05/1002:21 AM06/05/1002:21 AM
"Brother J would confuse the mind by seeking to make it appear that the light God has given through the Testimonies is an addition to the word of God, but in this he presents the matter in a false light. God has seen fit in this manner to bring the minds of His people to His word, to give them a clearer understanding of it." [VOL. 4, P. 246 (1876).] The word of God is sufficient to enlighten the most beclouded mind and may be understood by those who have any desire to understand it. But notwithstanding all this, some who profess to make the word of God their study are found living in direct opposition to its plainest teachings. Then, to leave men and women without excuse, God gives plain and pointed testimonies, bringing them back to the word that they have neglected to follow." [VOL. 2, P. 455 (1870).] The word of God abounds in general principles for the formation of correct habits of living, and the testimonies, general and personal, have been calculated to call their attention more especially to these principles." [VOL. 4, P. 323 (1879).] {5T 663.2}
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Bible Study Method's - Methods used by Jeff Pippenger
[Re: asygo]
#125747 06/05/1002:39 AM06/05/1002:39 AM
not only that, but at the end the casket is bigger. SOP quote:
He then placed on the table a casket, much larger and more beautiful than the former, and gathered up the jewels, the diamonds, the coins, by the handful, and cast them into the casket, till not one was left, although some of the diamonds were not bigger than the point of a pin. {EW 83.6} He then called upon me to "come and see." {EW 83.7} I looked into the casket, but my eyes were dazzled with the sight. They shone with ten times their former glory. I thought they had been scoured in the sand by the feet of those wicked persons who had scattered and trod them in the dust. They were arranged in beautiful order in the casket, every one in its place, without any visible pains of the man who cast them in. I shouted with very joy, and that shout awoke me. {EW 83.8}
Re: Bible Study Method's - Methods used by Jeff Pippenger
[Re: lco]
#125750 06/05/1008:21 AM06/05/1008:21 AM
I'm going to post this here also since it's related:
The Casket is bigger at the end of the world.
Without a doubt we are living in a very dangerous time.
The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God. "Where there is no vision, the people perish." Proverbs 29:18. Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through different agencies, to unsettle the confidence of God's remnant people in the true testimony. He will bring in spurious visions, to mislead and mingle the false with the true, and so disgust people that they will regard everything that bears the name of visions, as a species of fanaticism; but honest souls, by contrasting false and true, will be enabled to distinguish between them. {FLB 296.6}
SOP tells us that there are hidden treasures in the bible, that we must not study the bible superficially for in it we will find jewels of truth. (are there any accidents in the Word of God?) Also upon the testimony of two or three, a thing is established. This rule is found throughout the bible. Even Jesus used it on Himself.
We have been told that those that listened to the prophets or the "chosen ones" were called fanatical and are going to be called fanatical. Here are a few examples.
In the time of Noah. Was Noah and his family ridiculed for believing?
Moses, how many times did the Israelites ridicule Moses?
John the Baptist and Jesus.
(for any of these prophets, if you rejected their message, what happened?)
Now it's interesting to note, in the history of the world, there are only four dispensational prophets, ever. (dispensational - meaning there has been a change in dispensation i.e. Noah - change of focus of worship from the gates of eden to the altar)
God's people must understand clearly the correct place of worship for as we read in the testimonies, if one worships God thinking Him being in the wrong place, you end up worshiping satan. See EW 259
Those four prophets are:
Noah - Focus from gates of eden to the altar
Moses - Focus from altar to the earthly sanctuary
John the Baptist - Prepared the way for the focus from earthly sanctuary to the heavenly sanctuary
Lastly Ellen Gould White - Focus of worship from the Holy to the Most Holy.
In each of these cases, God used the prophet to give light to the people. Interesting group no? And the people needed these prophets to clarify, no?
Also interesting, Ellen Gould White, interesting name. Has the prophets name ever had anything to do with their work?
Noah - comforter
Moses - out of the water
John the Baptist - baptized
And Ellen Gould White? What does her name represent?
Ellen - Bright Light
Gould - Old english for gold
White - White
Is there anywhere in the bible that mentions a prescription for people living at the end of the world?
Laodiceans
What is the prescription for Laodicea in Rev 3:18
Eyesalve
Gold
White Raiment
Now Gold and White are easy to see. But what about Eyesalve?
Ico, Jeff teaches by parallels and there is some merit to that, so here's a clear parallel. The ministry of Christ was 3.5 years, Elijah's testing of Israel was 3.5 years and the Millerite message was empower for about the same length. In fact regarding the Millerite message, I found this interesting quote today by Miller himself:
Quote:
The seventh and last vial of God's wrath will be poured into the air about the year 1840, if my former calculations are correct, when this judgment will have a quick and rapid circulation over the whole globe. Like the air, it will pervade every kingdom, circulate into every nation, sow the seeds of anarchy in every society, and disorganize every bond of union among men, except the gospel. http://www.earlysda.com/miller/evidence12-15.html#LECTURE XV.
Miller consistently taught that Christ would come in 1843/1844. What is fascinating about this quote is that it reveals that Miller apparently believed that there would be a 3.5 year period of trouble and anarchy leading up to the return of Christ in 1843/1844. Given the keen prophetic insight of Miller, and the parallels with past dispensational way marks I think these teachings of Miller's and the parallels are worth noting.
Re: Bible Study Method's - Methods used by Jeff Pippenger
[Re: Charity]
#125762 06/06/1002:42 AM06/06/1002:42 AM
If you look at the quotes from the Bible and SOP, the fact that there are parallels in the bible is taught by God, not by any man. (These studies are being taught all around the world along with the two charts God gave the Seventh Day Adventist Church. The two charts are the 1843 chart and the 1850 chart, both mentioned in the Bible, that they would speak and not lie at the end. Those charts can be found at the General Conference Offices or Various E.G. White Libraries)
We are not to depend on man or take the word of man. If it can not be proved from the Bible and SOP, than it is mans opinion, and we are not to be guided by mans opinion.
If you look at the sequence of events of the 3 1/2 years, they only match up in the line of Elijah and the Millerites. (the 3 1/2 years are in red)
The 3 1/2 years during the time of Christ do not follow the same sequence.
Now if you take the lines of Elijah and the Millerites, you will find some very interesting lessong that the Lord is teaching us. I'm not going to go into that right now since I want to finish the time of our visitation sequence, but notice.
Preceding the Millerite time period and the Elijah time period there were 3 1/2 of years of darkness with "Jezebel"
After the 3 1/2 years, the true prophet was revealed when the fire came down from heaven. In the line of Elijah, it was literal fire and in the line of the Millerites it was the outpouring of the Holy Spirit during the Midnight Cry.
If you study the pattern of Christ and the pattern of anti-christ you will see the 3 1/2 line up i.e. the preparation of Christ was 30 years followed by 3 1/2 years. The anti-christ also has 30 years of preparation, from 508 to 538 and then 3 1/2 prophetic years of work. If I find that pattern I will post it.
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Re: Bible Study Method's - Methods used by Jeff Pippenger
[Re: lco]
#125782 06/07/1006:57 AM06/07/1006:57 AM
(I don't know if you are SDA or not but) The Seven Thunders are extremely fascinating, what we are discussing here is just the intro, barely scratching the surface. As you dig deeper, it becomes more and more amazing.
Upon the testimony of two or three, a thing is established. Because God established it. Jesus said this of Himself, so even He applied this rule to Himself.
Does God have a chosen people on earth, denominated peculiar distinct from the rest? Yes it's the Seventh Day Adventist.
This group is known as "Christians".
Quote:
Did He make a covenant with them? Yes and He gave us a name. What is one of the things that establishes us as the true chosen people of God? The testimony of Christ.
Which is given by the Holy Spirit and has been so for the entire Christian era.
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If we do not have the testimony of Christ, The Spirit of Prophecy, then we are a false church, because it is one of the requirements for Gods people.
While the words you write are true, your intent with them is not. The prophecies of the bible and the Holy Spirit are not exclusive property of the SDA church. In fact, it is only by grace that we partake them together with ALL other christians who are our brothers in the body of Christ.
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This is one of the clearest truths in the bible, rejecting the SOP is rejecting Christ Himself because when He roars, what is the roar? It is prophecy, the sure word of prophecy. Gods church must have a prophet.
Once you identify SOP with the person Ellen White, you are stepping outside of biblical truth and are by yourself. Identifying SOP with the Spirit who gives the Prophetic utterances would retain truth in your statement.
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I'm not even going to give a quote here, because I'd have to quote just about the entire bible. Well maybe just one quote, ". . . where there is no vision, the people parish . . ." Prov. 29:18
One more thing, we are the only people who are going to understand the seven thunders, as a people, because it is only through the SOP that you can remove that seal. This will be clearer down the line, a little patience. I know of a few non-adventist that are understanding this message, but very few. We on the other hand, are required to understand this. It is part of our DNA, it is our foundation.
This last paragraph illustrate why your aim is off center, as I said above.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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