I think it did. Not just the Father's, but Jesus' own feelings about sin.





This can't be a serious question.



God is physically everywhere. I don't know how else to answer your question. Without God's physical presence, nothing could live.

The following comes to mind:



I can't think of anything more important than what's spoken of here; that is, conceiving of God in a true character, worshiping the true God, the living God, as He is revealed in His word, in Christ, and in the works of creation.



I have no opinion regarding this. I'm not your judge, or anyone else's. However, when I see you state opinions about God which I believe are incorrect, I'll comment on that, as I have in the past.

No, I would disagree, as I cannot believe for a second that the Catholic leaders do not know what they teach is paganism, and that Christian ministers dont know what they teach on Gods law being nil, is incorrect, they are not that ignorant. In the end time the Holy Spirit will be poured out and the Sabbath will be shown in a way that will allow people to see what is truth

Rick, good point.

I don't see where the question is about contradictions in Mrs. White's writings. Of course that would only be an issue to Fundamentalists. Now there are points where we can explain the truth as a oneness of opposits, and at times she emphesises one side and other times the other where she saw that we need to make one of the opposits.

However this topic is a very important topic:

First there is an important point we need to understand that too many don't realize. Luther was an Augustinian, and Augustine believed in predestination. Calvin was baffeled as to why his beloved France refused the Reformation, and finally concluded that they were predestined to be lost. As his students were willing to return to France and end up burned at the stake, there was the currage to face incredable problems, therefore they were predestened for salvation. With all these feelings of predestination there was the idea that it did not matter what you do. If you were predestined to be saved, then you will be saved no matter what. And if you are predestined to be lost then you will be lost no matter what. We have tended to forget this point when we point out the quotes from the Reformers about the worthlessness of our works. Adventism, athough Protestant, tends not to be very Auginstinian. There were dissagreements on the nature of Inspiration between Jerome and Augustine, and our heritage tends to be Jeromeian. The Church also argued ofer differences between Augustine and St. Francis, and our Heritage stems from the Franciscans. And the issues between Augustine and Arminianism, while not completely Arminian, Mrs. White tended to make a oneness of this conflect with elements from both sides of the argument working together and the result still has God supream and in control, and we have things that limit our freedoms (family, environment, background, time in history we live in, etc), but we are moraly free and not predestined. We have to remember the influence that Augustine has had on the Church, however how our heritage is Jerome, St. Francis and stronly influenced by Ariminism, rather than Augustine.

Second: We need to continue to study the nature of hell fire and the distruction of the wicked. I understand that it is the flames that constantly surround the throne of God, God's brightness, glory, love, the glory of his character of love. That hell fire is God visible in person. When prophets saw God in person they initially felt like they were being burned alive, however as time went on instead of this feeling of being burned alive, they came to thrive in this fire. Jesus is our deepest desire. I can go into detail another time, but basically I understand hell fire being when the lost see Jesus, want to be with Jesus and other loved ones they see inside the city, but they feel the guilt of their sins and understanding the uglyness of their sins in God's sight and being unforgiving people they can't see how God can forgive them, feel that God will get them for their sins, go through what Jesus went through in the garden and on the cross, and while the long to come to Jesus and repent, they won't and sepperate themselves from the only source of life. I understand that God treats us the same, but there are two responces to how people react when they see Jesus in person. That fire that made the prophets feel like they were being burned alive but who they learned to thrive in, will either be where we thrive too, or else consumed by.

However this point is different for those who believe that hell fire is of a different nature and who believe that they face God and God either says "Welcome into heaven" or "You are lost" and they leave for hell kicking and screaming. However how we stand on this second point is one that we need to keep in mind as we study and discuss.

Third: Mrs. White saw a difference between perfecting our nature and perfecting our character. It is character perfection that we are to go after.

Fourth: The law of God is self sacrificing love. Nothing more and nothing less. When we love the world as Jesus has loved it, then for us his mission is accomplished, we are fitted for heaven for we have heaven in our hearts. Now we may ask what does self sacrificing love mean and so we have the 2 great principles to love God supreamly and our neighbor as ourselves. Now we can ask how we do this, and so we have the 10 commandaments, the first third, consisting of 3 commandaments, tell us how we can love God supreamly. The last third consisting of 6 commandaments tells us the work of the Holy Spirit in making us loving and lovable people, loving our neighbor as our selves, and the middle third, consisting of one commandment tells us that the only way we can love God supreamly and our neighbor as ourselves is through resting in a friendship and relationship with Jesus. Everything else are just applications, and while God's law is absolute, the applications are not absolute.

Although character perfection means to love God and all that God made as Jesus has loved it. We will still have our sinful nature, a disposition to think we are for ourselves by making less of the outside world, Everything, even our best will always be tainted with this disposition, tainted with selfishness. We will always commit sins of omission as while we are doing out best to help as many others as we can, we cannot help all of them, there will always be starting people as we eat. However we will do our best, and will share the love of Jesus as best as we know now. We will question our actions as to whether it is going more towards loving the world as Jesus has loved it, or if it goes more towards feeling we are for ourselves by making less of the outside world. And we will be showing the love of Jesus.

Now as to the question about whether God the Father loves us as much as God the Son: I suppose you are thinking where Mrs. White discribes God the Son approching God the Father three times to ask to save us.

We need to remember, there is but one God, infinite and impersonal, outside of time and space, the creator of time and space. A God too big to be comprehended. So God is also inside of time and space, in the relm of finite, teaching us that God is the almighty creator ruler of the universe, the great unapproachable light/the deep darkness, or God the Father. This revelation of God is necessary but alone not sufficient, we need to also have God as one of us, one we can be close to. This revelation of God is what we call God the Son, also necessary but alone insufficient. Then there is God working with our cells to work and with our subjective expirence, so we have God the Holy Spirit. We need all three of these.

As the personal aspect of God, it is God the Son's job to be the spokesman for the trinity. When Jesus approached God the Father 3 times to ask if he can come and save the human race, it was not that God the Father was less interested, but that Jesus was asking on behalf of the entire triniy, once for each of them. Also the 3 are related to the 3 deceptions of Satan and how each one of them were difficult to deal with. The difficuly we see in the 3 requests were for each member of the trinity. And when Jesus asked 3 times for this cup to pass from him and how the cup was too great to bear, again Jesus was praying as the spokesman for the trinity, praying for each member, and praying that each deception of satan alone was two great to bear, much less all three at once.

And as you study the poetic forms in the Bible, and the chaisms and parrelism, the Bible would presume a parrelism for the 3 times that Jesus asked for the cup to pass from him would need the other side of the poem, of him asking for the cup.

I hope this helps, I know I summed up too much but willing to expand if needed.

Does this imply Jesus also committed sins of ignorance since He was unable to help everyone?

The question isn't about "not sinning".

The question is about "abiding"...

Amen, Timber. Not sinning is not the goal. Not sinning is not right doing. Right doing involves abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature "that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works . . . rich in good works." (2 Tim 3:17 and 1 Tim 6:18)

Being in harmony with God, brings us to to the place were Job as an upright man, and Enoch who walked with God, were. So it is possible to overcome sin, but no one except Christ can say they are without sin. Thus we have to distigush from the imperfect person we were, and what through Christ we can become as the Holy Spirit transforms us.