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Re: Lesson #4 - Justified by FAITH [Re: Mountain Man] #126473
07/20/10 09:08 PM
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Isn't that what he meant by "occur again"?

Mike,

My problem is with the phrase: "There is a sense in which justification might be considered a repeating experience."

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As the passages above testify, "daily conversion" does not imply sinning and repenting daily; instead, it describes successfully keeping our inherited and cultivated sinful traits and tendencies under the control of a sanctified will and mind as we abide in Jesus, partake of the divine nature, and mature daily in the fruits of the Spirit.

Reconversion must occur daily, whether we sin or not.
But something disturbs me, and it is that what you write gives the impression that you never sin.

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Re: Lesson #4 - Justified by FAITH [Re: Rosangela] #126487
07/21/10 04:59 AM
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The phrase is - "Also, if reconversion is considered a daily experience, there is a sense in which justification might be considered a repeating experience." The word "repeating", in this case, means "a continuation of".

And, as you said, reconversion must occur daily even if we don't sin. Do I ever sin? I sin every time I neglect to abide in Jesus. I sin every time I cease partaking of the divine nature. However, the promises I posted on the previous page pertain to people who are actively, aggressively abiding in Jesus, who are partaking of the divine nature. Such people, in such a state - do not and cannot commit a known sin. Do you agree?

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Re: Lesson #4 - Justified by FAITH [Re: Mountain Man] #126520
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The phrase is - "Also, if reconversion is considered a daily experience, there is a sense in which justification might be considered a repeating experience." The word "repeating", in this case, means "a continuation of".

So "a repeating experience" doesn't mean "an experience which is repeated (over and over again)"?

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However, the promises I posted on the previous page pertain to people who are actively, aggressively abiding in Jesus, who are partaking of the divine nature. Such people, in such a state - do not and cannot commit a known sin. Do you agree?

Yes, while we are abiding in Jesus we do not commit known sins. But my problem is generally a sudden sin when I momentarily cease to abide in Jesus.

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Re: Lesson #4 - Justified by FAITH [Re: Rosangela] #126528
07/22/10 02:34 AM
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R: So "a repeating experience" doesn't mean "an experience which is repeated (over and over again)"?

M: In this case, no. It means a "continuation of".

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R: Yes, while we are abiding in Jesus we do not commit known sins.

M: Amen.

R: But my problem is generally a sudden sin when I momentarily cease to abide in Jesus.

M: So true. We are either all of His and free of sin or we are none of His and full of sin. There is no middle, neutral ground.

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Re: Lesson #4 - Justified by FAITH [Re: Mountain Man] #126542
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Could such a person, for example, therefore, say that he/she hasn't sinned in the last 20 years?


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Re: Lesson #4 - Justified by FAITH [Re: Daryl] #126544
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No. That's why the Holy Spirit must lead us to an experience where we abide in Jesus more and more until we no longer take our eyes away from Him. Such will be the experience of those who live in the time of trouble.

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Re: Lesson #4 - Justified by FAITH [Re: Rosangela] #126549
07/22/10 09:27 PM
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If a person said, "I haven't sinned in 'X' amount of time," would that statement, of itself, be evidence that this was not so?


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #4 - Justified by FAITH [Re: Tom] #126555
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No one in their right mind would say, I haven't sinned in X hours, days, months, years. They might say it if they were in the wrong mind, that is, in the mind of the "old man". But it would never occur to them to say such a thing while consciously and deliberately walking in the Spirit and mind of the "new man". In such a state they are fully focused on Jesus and His blood and righteousness.

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Re: Lesson #4 - Justified by FAITH [Re: Mountain Man] #126562
07/23/10 08:19 PM
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Yes, I think the mere statement would indicate the one saying it was saying something untrue.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #4 - Justified by FAITH [Re: Tom] #126565
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But the instant you testify the Bible says people who are abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature "doth not [and] cannot sin" you are likely to be asked, When was the last time you sinned?

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