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Re: "line upon line, here a little, there a little"
[Re: Mountain Man]
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08/27/10 11:14 PM
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Did you answer the following question? I'm still trying to figure out who you believe said, "This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing." Also, when was it said, and to whom?
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Re: "line upon line, here a little, there a little"
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Try reading the first sentence for the short answer?
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: "line upon line, here a little, there a little"
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M: I'm still trying to figure out who you believe said, "This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing." Also, when was it said, and to whom?
T: Isaiah cries out to the people (those whom will not hear) what the Lord sent him to say. The "he" in "to whom he said" is referring to Isaiah talking to the Jews? 28:12 To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear. 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, [and] there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
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Re: "line upon line, here a little, there a little"
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The "he" in "to whom he said" is referring to Isaiah talking to the Jews on behalf of the Lord..
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: "line upon line, here a little, there a little"
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Okay, then, if Isaiah is merely repeating to the Jews what Jesus told him to tell them, isn't it safe to say - Jesus said, "This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing."
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Re: "line upon line, here a little, there a little"
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Mike, It is fascinating that you are trying to prooftext your way through this chapter after 13 pages of discussing the relative lack of merit with this strategy of study. Verses do not come one by one. They do not even come chapter by chapter. We read that Isaiahs prophecy was delivered as one piece when his scribe read it to the king, not select parts piecing together what Isaiah thought the king might need to hear.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: "line upon line, here a little, there a little"
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I'm sorry you believe I'm trying to proof-text Isa 28. I am merely trying to establish who said what to whom and when and the methodology they employed. I believe if we can nail down these facts then we will be in a better position to apply the principles to other situations.
The methodology employed was - "precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little." The question is, What did this method look like and sound like to the Jews during the time Isa 28 was unfolding in real time?
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Re: "line upon line, here a little, there a little"
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Here's the text: 7 Now, however, Israel is led by drunks who reel with wine and stagger with alcohol. The priests and prophets stagger with alcohol and lose themselves in wine. They reel when they see visions and stagger as they render decisions. 8 Their tables are covered with vomit; filth is everywhere. 9 “Who does the Lord think we are?” they ask. “Why does he speak to us like this? Are we little children, just recently weaned? 10 He tells us everything over and over— one line at a time, one line at a time, a little here, and a little there!” It seems very clear from simply reading this translation what the answers to your questions are, MM.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: "line upon line, here a little, there a little"
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The Amplified Bible:
9To whom will He teach knowledge? [Ask the drunkards.] And whom will He make to understand the message? Those who are babies, just weaned from the milk and taken from the breasts? [Is that what He thinks we are?]
10For it is [His prophets repeating over and over]: precept upon precept, precept upon precept, rule upon rule, rule upon rule; here a little, there a little.
11No, but [the Lord will teach the rebels in a more humiliating way] by men with stammering lips and another tongue will He speak to this people [says Isaiah, and teach them His lessons].
12To these [complaining Jews the Lord] had said, This is the true rest [the way to true comfort and happiness] that you shall give to the weary, and, This is the [true] refreshing--yet they would not listen [to His teaching].
13Therefore the word of the Lord will be to them [merely monotonous repeatings of]: precept upon precept, precept upon precept, rule upon rule, rule upon rule; here a little, there a little--that they may go and fall backward, and be broken and snared and taken.
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Re: "line upon line, here a little, there a little"
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The methodology employed was - "precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little." The question is, What did this method look like and sound like to the Jews during the time Isa 28 was unfolding in real time? The answer seems to be, Repeating the same message over and over again in the simplest terms possible. Ellen White suggested employing this method when leading young people and non-SDAs unto a knowledge of all truth.
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