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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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God called to Samuel in the night. Did God interfere with Samuels free will?
Jesus accepted an anointment in expensive perfume. Then Judas went to the priests to betray Him. When the means of interference with Judas free will is an act of love towards an outcast in society, what are the alternatives?
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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Judas did not decide to betray Christ because He accepted to be anointed, but because of Christ's reproof to him. But how could God have predicted, with hundreds of years of antecedence, that someone from Jesus' inner circle of friends would betray Him (and even for how much money he would do that)?
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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His Child is busy exploring the wide leeway an interpreter of prophecy has at his disposal..
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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either 1) God will force the church to be ready at a given time so that Christ can come at the set date, "Force"?
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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MM, I was looking for your response to Tom's comment:
Second, it would raise the question as to why God would create a creature that He was certain would sin. There's really no answer to this. Some say that if He didn't create Lucifer/Satan, that would be violating his free will, but that's ridiculous since a creature who doesn't exist doesn't have free will. Another argument is that God wanted evil to exist so that His goodness could be manifest, but that has implications which are negative as well. What it would come down to is that God preferred a universe that had sin in it to one that didn't.
Do you agree or disagree with his basis and/or conclusions?
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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R: either 1) God will force the church to be ready at a given time so that Christ can come at the set date,
K: "Force"? Yes, I mean lead them to that experience by violating their free will.
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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R: either 1) God will force the church to be ready at a given time so that Christ can come at the set date,
K: "Force"? Yes, I mean lead them to that experience by violating their free will. You sure seem sceptical towards the persuasive power of Love, Rosangela...
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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From what the news say here, if Lula da Silva was constitutionally allowed to run for another term as president, he would get elected again. Why is that?
1) President da Silva forces the Brazilian population to give him high approval ratings through some free will violating scheme.
2) President da Silva gets the approval ratings based on his actions for the benefit of the Brazilian people. He works for them and they recognize it and vote for him to continue.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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You sure seem sceptical towards the persuasive power of Love, Rosangela... No, Thomas. It's just that God sees beforehand when the persuasive power of His love will get His church ready for His coming, not that He sets a date and then the church must be ready because He chose that specific date.
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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From what the news say here, if Lula da Silva was constitutionally allowed to run for another term as president, he would get elected again. Why is that?
1) President da Silva forces the Brazilian population to give him high approval ratings through some free will violating scheme.
2) President da Silva gets the approval ratings based on his actions for the benefit of the Brazilian people. He works for them and they recognize it and vote for him to continue. I wouldn't know how to define it. He is a charismatic figure and gifted speaker who was lucky enough to assume the government of the country when inflation was already under control and who captivated the poor population with the "Family Allowance", which is a controversial program, because some think it discourages the search for employment and helps to "buy" votes of poor and ignorant people.
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