Thinking some more about probability having to do with ignorance, from a math standpoint, this isn't true at all. For example, you can ask the question, "What's the probability that a fair coin will turn up heads?" and the answer is 0.5. This isn't in any way dependent upon knowing anything about any specific coin. It's a theoretical question, with a specific answer, not dependent upon any specific coin nor limited by ignorance.

Reporting the facts after the fact does not alter how things played out in real time. Free will is fully operational. Do you agree?

You left out the one option that represents my view, namely, God reports the facts after the fact, which leaves free will totally in tact.

I'm not saying Jesus was incapable of failing. He possessed the wherewithal to sin and fail. I'm also saying, using your logic concerning Nahum 1:9, who's to say we cannot apply the same logic to the Messianic prophecies, that is, none of the bazillion possible outcomes involved Jesus failing?


It's God's reality. He has the supernatural power to know the future like history without eliminating free will or altering how things play out in real time.


How things play out in real time includes the part Jesus played to ensure everything unfolds properly.


It includes everything Jesus did as things unfolded. Saying this view means Jesus cannot change how things play out in real time assumes things didn't play out properly and that He wishes He could go back and change things. Jesus is perfect. He is managing the GC perfectly. He does not wish He could go back and change things.


But you are divorcing the supernatural aspect. That is, God possesses the supernatural ability to know the future like history without altering reality or the nature of time and space. Which is how God can know the precise date Jesus will return without altering reality or free will. It's also how He knew Jesus wouldn't fail, and how He knows affliction will not rise up the second time.

In the quotes below the blue highlights say God knew from eternity past which angels and humans would be destroyed in the lake of fire and which humans would embrace salvation and live eternally. The red highlights explain why God chose to create angels and humans even though He knew some would sin and die.

The plan for our redemption was not an afterthought, a plan formulated after the fall of Adam. It was a revelation of "the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal." Rom. 16:25, R. V. It was an unfolding of the principles that from eternal ages have been the foundation of God's throne. From the beginning, God and Christ knew of the apostasy of Satan, and of the fall of man through the deceptive power of the apostate. God did not ordain that sin should exist, but He foresaw its existence, and made provision to meet the terrible emergency. So great was His love for the world, that He covenanted to give His only-begotten Son, "that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16. {DA 22.2}

The purpose and plan of grace existed from all eternity. Before the foundation of the world it was according to the determinate counsel of God that man should be created, endowed with power to do the divine will. But the defection of man, with all its consequences, was not hidden from the Omnipotent, and yet it did not deter Him from carrying out His eternal purpose; for the Lord would establish His throne in righteousness. God knows the end from the beginning. {AG 129.2}

The fall of man, with all its consequences, was not hidden from the Omnipotent. Redemption was not an afterthought, a plan formulated after the fall of Adam, but an eternal purpose, suffered to be wrought out for the blessing not only of this atom of a world, but for the good of all the worlds that God had created. {ST, December 15, 1914 par. 3}

But the rules change if the guy who flipped the coin has looked already and knows which side is facing up. From his perspective there is no chance he is uncertain. But his knowledge does not rob others of free will.

For reporting yesterdays facts today, what you say is correct. For reporting next years "facts" as if it was "after the fact", tis no longer so.

Considering that your view has God reporting as "fact after the fact" things which have not yet occurred, I fail to see any real difference between it and the first example.

Thus Unconditional election.

I didn't say that either. I said that "Christ could not have sinned," which is consistent with what you have said. That is, you believe there was no chance Christ would fail, which is the same thing as saying that Christ could not have sinned, because they only way He could fail was by sinning.



Noone has been discussing this.



There's two problems with this. One is, in order for temptation to be temptation, there has to be a chance of failure. A second problem are the SOP quotes which tell us that heaven was imperiled, etc.



There's no difference between reality and "God's reality."



It's not a question of altering things. I guess this is a mental block.



This doesn't seem to be addressing what I wrote. At least, I don't see the connection.



This looks to be completely non-responsive to what I wrote.



That's irrelevant.



It's not a question of altering things. I explained this above. Perhaps you could re-read that.



It's not a question of altering. I explained this, but you keep repeating this. You either skipped over what I wrote, or didn't understand it, it appears to me. At least, you're not responding to what I wrote. Please read the explanation about how it's not a question of altering things. This isn't an issue.



I addressed this. It's not necessary for the future to be single-threaded for God to know these things.