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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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Kland, I agree with the Atheist in that God has revealed to us in the Bible through prophecy how things will play out. Do you agree? Or, do you believe things could play out differently?
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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I asked(to Thomas), "Why can't God know the future like history without making it fixed or single-threaded? Is it impossible?" I hear you saying, yes, it is impossible. God's knowing the future doesn't make it something different than what it is. God can only know the future as fixed or single-threaded if the future really is fixed or single-threaded, so if it's not, then that's impossible.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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This question is based on a false assumption. Knowing something to be a certain way doesn't change it. If the future is not like history, which is to say not single-threaded, then it would be impossible for God to know it as such, since God knows things as they are. Do you think God is bound by our time-space continuum? This doesn't matter for our conversation. What matters is that God exists in time-space, and communicates to us with such language that speaks to the characteristic of time-space. Since God create time-space, He clearly transcends it. [quote]That is, do you think it is impossible for God to "inhabit eternity" (Isa 57:15), to simultaneously occupy the past, present, and future without destroying the nature and essence of time and space? This would imply that the past, present, and future do not really exist, that these are just things we perceive. I disagree with this idea. I believe the future really does exist, that things which have not happened yet really haven't happened, even for God.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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Kland, I agree with the Atheist in that God has revealed to us in the Bible through prophecy how things will play out. Do you agree? Or, do you believe things could play out differently? God Himself said things could play out differently. 7At one moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, 8but if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will change my mind about the disaster that I intended to bring on it. 9And at another moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it, 10but if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will change my mind about the good that I had intended to do to it. (Jer. 18) We also have specific examples, such as Nineveh, where things actually did play out differently.
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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Tom, thank you for making it clear you believe it is impossible for God to know the future like history. As you know, I believe God can, and does, know the future like history, and that it does not make the future single-threaded.
Regarding the future and unfulfilled prophecies - Do you think the future could play out differently than how it is interpreted in the SOP?
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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Mike, aside from your faul use of the acronym (SOP), would that not depend on whether the last prophet is greater than the first, or whether Gods words to Isaiah as quoted by Tom above no longer applies?
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It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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Tom, thank you for making it clear you believe it is impossible for God to know the future like history. As you know, I believe God can, and does, know the future like history, and that it does not make the future single-threaded. MM, this is self-contradictory. History is single-threaded. You agree with that, don't you? Given this is the case, if God knows the future to be like history, then the future is single-threaded. This is the law of transitivity. Regarding the future and unfulfilled prophecies - Do you think the future could play out differently than how it is interpreted in the SOP? I'm not sure what you're asking here. If you mean if things will happen as they are depicted in "The Great Controversy," I think they will. If you're asking if Jer. 18 could apply to what she wrote, I think it does.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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Tom, you seem to be forgetting we're talking about God. He can do things without violating natural law. For example, He can (and does) know the future like history without making it single-threaded.
Why are you so sure the future will play out the way it is described in the GC?
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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In a world where square circles exist or where God creates stones which are so heavy that He cannot lift them, the concept of an informed faith loses its meaning.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: How Can a Person Know if a Prophecy is Conditional or Unconditional? - Part 2
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Thomas, the fact is God knows "the end from the beginning." The Bible is full of prophecies which reflect this fact. The end will play out precisely the way God said it will. Does this mean the future is single-threaded? No, of course not.
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