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Re: It is impossible to completely overcome before Jesus returns! #12805
03/24/05 05:14 PM
03/24/05 05:14 PM
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quote:
We arent going to be perfectly perfectly perfect, because only Jesus is that.
How about just perfectly perfect? [Smile]

Re: It is impossible to completely overcome before Jesus returns! #12806
03/25/05 12:06 AM
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And thank you John!! I was blessed by your comments. And I was happy to learn that our views on this important topic are so similar.

Re: It is impossible to completely overcome before Jesus returns! #12807
03/25/05 12:08 AM
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I received my copy of the Review today and there was an excellent article in it by Roland Hegstead on sanctification and the investigative judgement. He ends with a gripping, beautiful, true story of passion, love and court room drama.

Re: It is impossible to completely overcome before Jesus returns! #12808
03/25/05 01:57 AM
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I see the judgment as a fearful thing. The COI were not rejoicing while the high priest was officiating within the MHP. Yes, our salvation is assured in Jesus, but it doesn't totally do away with the fearfulness of judgment. If we do not crucify every sin we shall be cast out with weeping and gnashing of teeth. Overcoming sin is a life and death issue.

Leviticus
16:31 It [shall be] a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.

Matthew
25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

1T 242
Angels are watching the development of character and weighing moral worth. All our words and acts are passing in review before God. It is a fearful, solemn time. The hope of eternal life is not to be taken up upon slight grounds; it must be settled between God and your own soul. {1T 242.2}

GC 489
"He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy." Proverbs 28:13. If those who hide and excuse their faults could see how Satan exults over them, how he taunts Christ and holy angels with their course, they would make haste to confess their sins and to put them away. Through defects in the character, Satan works to gain control of the whole mind, and he knows that if these defects are cherished, he will succeed. Therefore he is constantly seeking to deceive the followers of Christ with his fatal sophistry that it is impossible for them to overcome. But Jesus pleads in their behalf His wounded hands, His bruised body; and He declares to all who would follow Him: "My grace is sufficient for thee." 2 Corinthians 12:9. "Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light." Matthew 11:29, 30. Let none, then, regard their defects as incurable. God will give faith and grace to overcome them. {GC 489.2}

GC 489, 490
We are now living in the great day of atonement. In the typical service, while the high priest was making the atonement for Israel, all were required to afflict their souls by repentance of sin and humiliation before the Lord, lest they be cut off from among the people. In like manner, all who would have their names retained in the book of life should now, in the few remaining days of their probation, afflict their souls before God by sorrow for sin and true repentance. {GC 489.3}

Re: It is impossible to completely overcome before Jesus returns! #12809
03/25/05 02:09 AM
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There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (1 John 4:18)

Re: It is impossible to completely overcome before Jesus returns! #12810
03/25/05 03:27 AM
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Jam 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

Which of the two would you like?

Re: It is impossible to completely overcome before Jesus returns! #12811
03/25/05 04:12 AM
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quote:
I see the judgment as a fearful thing. The COI were not rejoicing while the high priest was officiating within the MHP. Yes, our salvation is assured in Jesus, but it doesn't totally do away with the fearfulness of judgment. If we do not crucify every sin we shall be cast out with weeping and gnashing of teeth. Overcoming sin is a life and death issue.

Mike: I see the judgment as a fearful thing.

John: When I first turned to seek the Lord I was afraid; afraid of what he might do to me or ask of me. Sinful nature is sinfully afraid of God. This is how Satan keeps us away from God; through fear of death. But, there was something that said: if he died for me, why would he want to harm me? I “risked” against my fear, and discovered a wonderful Savior. I rejoice daily in his judgments – they are life everlasting.

Mike: The COI were not rejoicing while the high priest was officiating within the MHP.

John: They had no faith.

Mike: Yes, our salvation is assured in Jesus,

John: That sounds abstract and theoretical.

Mike: but it doesn't totally do away with the fearfulness of judgment.

John: The fearfulness cannot be done away with, until you receive the judgment. The fearfulness increases the longer you delay. It is your privilege and salvation to receive it now. He is calling you now. Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Mike: If we do not crucify every sin we shall be cast out with weeping and gnashing of teeth.

John: How will you do it? It is his judgment that does it. That is how sin is crucified and overcome. Sin knows it and that is why it is afraid of the judgment. Take hold by faith of him that died for you. Let him judge you. Do not let him go till he bless you. Sin will be crucified and you will live.

Mike: Overcoming sin is a life and death issue.

John: Indeed it is. If you receive his judgment now, sin will be crucified and overthrown, and you will live in the joy of the Lord. If you do not receive his judgment, sin will continue to live and you shall remain in torment, fear, and death.

2Co 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2Co 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

Re: It is impossible to completely overcome before Jesus returns! #12812
03/25/05 04:23 AM
03/25/05 04:23 AM
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If you receive his judgment now, sin will be crucified and overthrown, and you will live in the joy of the Lord.
John, do you mean to say we are judged now? that we are sinless now? Are you referring to the IJ? or a different judgment? to actual sinlessness? or legal sinlessness?

Re: It is impossible to completely overcome before Jesus returns! #12813
03/26/05 04:18 AM
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Mike

Is God out to get you? Does He labour to find reason to destroy you? Who is the accuser of brethren? Who is your defendor? Who would rejoice in your death?

Eze 33 specifically verses 11 and 13

/Thomas

Re: It is impossible to completely overcome before Jesus returns! #12814
03/26/05 04:21 AM
03/26/05 04:21 AM
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quote:
GC 489, 490
We are now living in the great day of atonement. In the typical service, while the high priest was making the atonement for Israel, all were required to afflict their souls by repentance of sin and humiliation before the Lord, lest they be cut off from among the people. In like manner, all who would have their names retained in the book of life should now, in the few remaining days of their probation, afflict their souls before God by sorrow for sin and true repentance. {GC 489.3}

Thomas, how do you define afflicting your soul? And, how does it relate to the topic of this thread? Is it possible to overcome every single defective trait of character? If so, when?
quote:
GC 489
Through defects in the character, Satan works to gain control of the whole mind, and he knows that if these defects are cherished, he will succeed. Therefore he is constantly seeking to deceive the followers of Christ with his fatal sophistry that it is impossible for them to overcome.... Let none, then, regard their defects as incurable. God will give faith and grace to overcome them. {GC 489.2}


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