Sure, certain trends such as how the names of our grandparents are reappearing among the newly born or how the Paris fashion changes with the seasons. Geology however is not one of those trends..

The Wiki article went back for centuries.



Maybe, maybe not. They weren't "historical."



You said, "Even reducing the tsunamis in the 2000’s from 8 to 5" so I used the number 5.



Yes, I have a point, which is that this way of analyzing data is flawed. It was by chance that I happened to find a 6 year period that had 5 tsunamis (although it's actually likely there would have been some time period like that, given the events are random) but the methodology would have been just as flawed even without that example. If you're going to consider whether data like this is significant, a statistical analysis is necessary. A lot of times our intuition is simply wrong when it comes to spotting "trends" like this.

Ok, but what I had said was, consider just the last 300 years. And what I can see in these last 300 years is a gradual increase in tsunamis. The arguments may be presented that "the increase in the number of earthquakes is just because of better monitoring," and "maybe not all tsunamis were registered in the past," etc. However, and fortunately, people everywhere are beginning to get alarmed by these signs. If you take a single factor isolately, it may be inconclusive. But if you take several factors into consideration a general trend becomes evident - even if a rigorously scientifical study hasn't yet been undertaken.

"The present is a time of overwhelming interest to all living. Rulers and statesmen, men who occupy positions of trust and authority, thinking men and women of all classes, have their attention fixed upon the events taking place about us. They are watching the strained, restless relations that exist among the nations. They observe the intensity that is taking possession of every earthly element, and they recognize that something great and decisive is about to take place--that the world is on the verge of a stupendous crisis." {WM 134.4}

"The signs of the times give evidence that the judgments of heaven are being poured out, that the day of the Lord is at hand. The daily papers are full of indications of an intense conflict in the future. Bold robberies are of frequent occurrence. Strikes are common. Thefts and murders are committed on every hand. Men possessed by demons are taking the lives of men, women, and little children. All these things testify that the Lord's coming is near. The restraining Spirit of God is even now being withdrawn from the world. Hurricanes, storms, tempests, disasters by sea and by land, follow one another in quick succession. The signs thickening around us, telling of the near approach of the Son of God, are attributed to any other than the true cause." {Mar 175.2, 3}

Rosangela, you wrote this:



I responded:



You then said:



And I pointed out that this was a flawed analysis, for the reasons I pointed out, and showed that in the 6 year period around 1958, there was "a substantial increase," using your methodology.

If you look at the period from 1854 to 1868, there were 5 recorded. That's a "substantial increase" from earlier in that century, or through the end of it. For both the 19th and 20th centuries there were more tsunamis around the middle of the century than earlier in the century. Using the methodology you're using, we could conclude that around the middle of the century, there should be a "substantial increase" in tsunamis.

You'll notice I'm not taking issue with there being more earthquakes or tsunamis:



So there's no need to quote EGW in regards to the signs. I'm just taking issue with your approach:

I guess I was objecting to the emphases on "short". As has been brought out, if shortness is the emphasis then the shorter the better. A 3-year old could say, I have no doubt that in my short 3-year life there is a dramatic decrease in occurrences. That's why you can't go with charts and statistics when it's a very very small sample of the whole whether it's global warming or the number of earthquakes. Of course this doesn't help much with "seeing the signs", but again, I'm not sure that should be our emphasis. Do you suppose that when these signs come to light, that we won't need to compare charts and run statistics? What about the stars falling? If one was doing the same and said there are now clear up to 2 per hour, this is "a sign", does that do any comparison when the whole sky became ablaze?

Kland,

As I see it, the fall of the stars was to be a single event which should occur at a definite time:

Mat 24:29 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.

This, however, does not seem to be case with these other signs:

Mat 24:6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled, for all these things must occur; but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines and pestilences and earthquakes in different places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

These things have always happened, but I had always thought of them as signs in terms of a gradual increase. Do you think there will be a repentine and dramatic increase of these things?

From what I can understand, there may be a repeat of the stars falling. Do I have a good grasp of why I think that - no.

But that had nothing to do with the point I was making. You understand that? Replace "there are now up to" with "the stars are falling at".

From what I can understand, the only thing noteworthy about that minor fall of stars over northeastern US almost 200 years ago was that it happened to come while a bunch of disillusioned people were wondering what to do after Christ failed to return at the specified date around 1844.

Falling stars of that kind are a regular event and have been calculated and observed since the first astronomer climbed a zikkurat in Uruk (or wherever this event happened first). To qualify for an endtime event of the kind described in Mat 24, in my view, it would have to be something extraordinary which was observed all around the world and which goes way beyond the annual events which are regularly reported in newspapers. And I am here stressing ALL AROUND THE WORLD. The endtime prophecies are not specifically or exclusively directed at or reporting on the north American continent.

Thomas,
The great shower of Leonid meteors seen in America was on Nov. 12–13, 1833.


A meteor “shower,” in ordinary usage, means any fall of meteors, regardless of numbers, encountered as the earth intercepts one of the numerous swarms of meteoric particles that travel in orbits around the sun. However, the 1833 shower was the most magnificent hitherto recorded, for no shower has equaled it since. Fisher in 1934 said it was “the most magnificent meteor shower on record” (W. J. Fisher, “The Ancient Leonids,” The Telescope, 1 [October, 1934], 83).])
"For nearly four hours the sky was literally ablaze… [Careful scientific accounts indicate that] more than a billion shooting stars appeared over the United States and Canada alone" (Peter M. Millman, “The Falling of the Stars,” The Telescope, 7 [(May–June, 1940), 57.])
None of the other signs Christ mentioned can happen all around the world at the same time. Why do you want this to be the case with the falling of the stars?

Earth passes through the Leonid cloud every year, with clockwork accuracy.
So the 1833 shower was the most impressive one between 1833-1934. What happened since? And what does Fisher mean by "hitherto recorded"? How far back does he draw his history?

So when the sun goes dark, it will be reignited within less than 12 hours (if any longer, this would be seen all around the world), and the moon will at this time be very close to the sun in the sky (otherwise this would give away for the half of earths population on the dark side what happened). And what about the comming of Jesus? Will this also only be visible in Washington and New York? Surely this would be the case if Hollywood wrote the script. But now when God is doing the scriptwriting?