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Re: God's Strange Act: What is it, when does it happen?
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Tom, what do you think constitutes "the act of punishment"? And, is it the full result of sinning, that is, is it reaping what they have sown? For example, when God withdrew His protection and sinners were burned alive what part of this sequence is "the act of punishment" - God withdrawing His protection or sinners being burned alive or something else?
PS - I am referring to the following passage: "To our merciful God the act of punishment is a strange act."
PPS - Do you think Satan will arbitrarily impose the seven last plagues on the wicked? Or, do you see the death and destruction portrayed by the plagues as the natural cause and effect consequence of the sins they have committed (like smoking causes cancer)?
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Re: God's Strange Act: What is it, when does it happen?
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Do you think Satan will arbitrarily impose the seven last plagues on the wicked? Why is it necessary to include "arbitrarily" in your question? In what way would it change what you want to know if it was left out?
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Re: God's Strange Act: What is it, when does it happen?
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Tom, I did not say Lucifer sinned before He chose to pursue his course in open rebellion. Lucifer sinned before God offered him pardon. Then God offered him pardon, and the opportunity to be restored, if he confessed his sin. Satan refused the offer of pardon, and chose to continue on, knowing that he was wrong, and at this point there was nothing more that God could do for him, because he had hardened his own heart and fixed (i.e. settled) his character, so that it could not change, just as in the EGW quote I cited a little while ago speaking of the importance of forming right habits. As long as Lucifer's character was such that he was not settled in rebellion, and was able to change, God was ready and able and willing to pardon him (why wouldn't He be? That's how God is, merciful and compassionate). Therefore, there was no need for him to repent of sinning to be pardoned and reinstated. God offered him pardon, and the opportunity to confess his sin. So clearly there was a need for him to repent, to be pardoned, and reinstated. His repentance would have involved him changing his course, making a u-turn. Repentance involves u-turn. God offered Lucifer pardon on the condition of u-turn (repentance), which is only logical, as how could Lucifer be reconciled if he continued in rebellion? Also, do you agree with me that it was Jesus who said, "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh." "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them." What I'm asking you is do you agree these are the very words he spoke? I'm not asking if you take them at face value. You're asking if when God spoke the words He is recorded as speaking, if He spoke those words? Why are you asking this? Is there some alternative I should be made aware of?
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Re: God's Strange Act: What is it, when does it happen?
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Tom, what do you think constitutes "the act of punishment"? And, is it the full result of sinning, that is, is it reaping what they have sown? For example, when God withdrew His protection and sinners were burned alive what part of this sequence is "the act of punishment" - God withdrawing His protection or sinners being burned alive or something else?
PS - I am referring to the following passage: "To our merciful God the act of punishment is a strange act."
PPS - Do you think Satan will arbitrarily impose the seven last plagues on the wicked? Or, do you see the death and destruction portrayed by the plagues as the natural cause and effect consequence of the sins they have committed (like smoking causes cancer)? I think the answers to your questions can be found in considering what happened in the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. The "act of punishment" is described here: The Jews had forged their own fetters; they had filled for themselves the cup of vengeance. In the utter destruction that befell them as a nation, and in all the woes that followed them in their dispersion, they were but reaping the harvest which their own hands had sown. Says the prophet: "O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself;" "for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity." Hosea 13:9; 14:1. Their sufferings are often represented as a punishment visited upon them by the direct decree of God. It is thus that the great deceiver seeks to conceal his own work. By stubborn rejection of divine love and mercy, the Jews had caused the protection of God to be withdrawn from them, and Satan was permitted to rule them according to his will. The horrible cruelties enacted in the destruction of Jerusalem are a demonstration of Satan's vindictive power over those who yield to his control.(GC 35) as well as here: God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but He leaves the rejectors of His mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown.... The Spirit of God, persistently resisted, is at last withdrawn from the sinner, and then there is left no power to control the evil passions of the soul, and no protection from the malice and enmity of Satan. The destruction of Jerusalem is a fearful and solemn warning to all who are trifling with the offers of divine grace and resisting the pleadings of divine mercy. Never was there given a more decisive testimony to God's hatred of sin and to the certain punishment that will fall upon the guilty. (GC 36) In regards to this question: Do you think Satan will arbitrarily impose the seven last plagues on the wicked? Or, do you see the death and destruction portrayed by the plagues as the natural cause and effect consequence of the sins they have committed (like smoking causes cancer)? What do you see happening in the fall of Jerusalem? Do you see one of the things you are asking about happening? If so, which?
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Re: God's Strange Act: What is it, when does it happen?
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M: Tom, I did not say Lucifer sinned before He chose to pursue his course in open rebellion.
T: Lucifer sinned before God offered him pardon. Then God offered him pardon, and the opportunity to be restored, if he confessed his sin. Satan refused the offer of pardon, and chose to continue on, knowing that he was wrong, and at this point there was nothing more that God could do for him, because he had hardened his own heart and fixed (i.e. settled) his character, so that it could not change, just as in the EGW quote I cited a little while ago speaking of the importance of forming right habits. As long as Lucifer's character was such that he was not settled in rebellion, and was able to change, God was ready and able and willing to pardon him (why wouldn't He be? That's how God is, merciful and compassionate). Why, then, didn’t Jesus offer to pardon A&E, whose sin was far less offensive than Lucifer’s? By the way, I disagree with your interpretation of the SOP insights regarding Lucifer. Ellen wrote “no provision had been made to save those [angels] who should venture to transgress his law.” {1SP 22.3} Why? Because they knew God too well to deliberately sin and recover from it. “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” There is nothing more God can do to recommend His love. They are unpardonable. M: Therefore, there was no need for him to repent of sinning to be pardoned and reinstated.
T: God offered him pardon, and the opportunity to confess his sin. So clearly there was a need for him to repent, to be pardoned, and reinstated. I disagree. See quotes and comments above. M: His repentance would have involved him changing his course, making a u-turn.
T: Repentance involves u-turn. God offered Lucifer pardon on the condition of u-turn (repentance), which is only logical, as how could Lucifer be reconciled if he continued in rebellion? He hadn’t rebelled yet. He wasn’t guilty of rebelling until he made the decision to pursue his course after being convinced to do so would constitute sin and rebellion. M: Also, do you agree with me that it was Jesus who said, "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh." "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them." What I'm asking you is do you agree these are the very words he spoke? I'm not asking if you take them at face value.
T: You're asking if when God spoke the words He is recorded as speaking, if He spoke those words? Why are you asking this? Is there some alternative I should be made aware of? Do you agree with me that these are the very words He spoke? Or, do you think someone misquoted Him?
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Re: God's Strange Act: What is it, when does it happen?
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Why, then, didn’t Jesus offer to pardon A&E, whose sin was far less offensive than Lucifer’s? He did. By the way, I disagree with your interpretation of the SOP insights regarding Lucifer. Ellen wrote “no provision had been made to save those [angels] who should venture to transgress his law.” {1SP 22.3} Why? Because they knew God too well to deliberately sin and recover from it. “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” There is nothing more God can do to recommend His love. They are unpardonable. What are you disagreeing with? It doesn't appear to me that you responded to what I wrote. If you did, I'm not following your train of thought. M: Therefore, there was no need for him to repent of sinning to be pardoned and reinstated.
T: God offered him pardon, and the opportunity to confess his sin. So clearly there was a need for him to repent, to be pardoned, and reinstated.
M:I disagree. See quotes and comments above. Disagree with what? I'll state things in numbered form: 1.God offered Lucifer pardon on the condition of repentance. 2.God gave Lucifer the opportunity to confess his sin before being banished from heaven. 3.Clearly, therefore, there was a need for Lucifer to repent and be pardoned. What are you disagreeing with? M: His repentance would have involved him changing his course, making a u-turn.
T: Repentance involves u-turn. God offered Lucifer pardon on the condition of u-turn (repentance), which is only logical, as how could Lucifer be reconciled if he continued in rebellion?
M:He hadn’t rebelled yet. He wasn’t guilty of rebelling until he made the decision to pursue his course after being convinced to do so would constitute sin and rebellion. Ok, call it something else. He was doing something which was sin, for which he needed to repent and confess, and needed to stop and turn around. For example: Leaving his place in the immediate presence of God, Lucifer went forth to diffuse the spirit of discontent among the angels. Working with mysterious secrecy, and for a time concealing his real purpose under an appearance of reverence for God, he endeavored to excite dissatisfaction concerning the laws that governed heavenly beings, intimating that they imposed an unnecessary restraint. Since their natures were holy, he urged that the angels should obey the dictates of their own will. He sought to create sympathy for himself by representing that God had dealt unjustly with him in bestowing supreme honor upon Christ. He claimed that in aspiring to greater power and honor he was not aiming at self-exaltation, but was seeking to secure liberty for all the inhabitants of heaven, that by this means they might attain to a higher state of existence.
God in His great mercy bore long with Lucifer. He was not immediately degraded from his exalted station when he first indulged the spirit of discontent, nor even when he began to present his false claims before the loyal angels. Long was he retained in heaven. Again and again he was offered pardon on condition of repentance and submission.(GC 495) See the first paragraph? Lucifer needed to stop doing this, to repent of it, to turn away from, to do a u-turn. M: Also, do you agree with me that it was Jesus who said, "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh." "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them." What I'm asking you is do you agree these are the very words he spoke? I'm not asking if you take them at face value.
T: You're asking if when God spoke the words He is recorded as speaking, if He spoke those words? Why are you asking this? Is there some alternative I should be made aware of?
M:Do you agree with me that these are the very words He spoke? Or, do you think someone misquoted Him? Do I think God was misquoted? Are you serious? How would this work?
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Re: God's Strange Act: What is it, when does it happen?
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M: Why, then, didn’t Jesus offer to pardon A&E, whose sin was far less offensive than Lucifer’s?
T: He did. Oops. I should have anticipated you not realizing I meant God offering to pardon A&E without requiring Jesus’ substitutionary death. That is, you believe God would have pardoned Lucifer’s sins without also requiring the substitutionary death of Jesus. With this in mind, why didn’t Jesus offer to pardon A&E without also requiring the substitutionary death of Jesus? M: By the way, I disagree with your interpretation of the SOP insights regarding Lucifer. Ellen wrote “no provision had been made to save those [angels] who should venture to transgress his law.” {1SP 22.3} Why? Because they knew God too well to deliberately sin and recover from it. “For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” There is nothing more God can do to recommend His love. They are unpardonable.
T: What are you disagreeing with? It doesn't appear to me that you responded to what I wrote. If you did, I'm not following your train of thought. You wrote, “Lucifer sinned before God offered him pardon. Then God offered him pardon, and the opportunity to be restored, if he confessed his sin.” I disagree for the reasons expressed above. M: Therefore, there was no need for him to repent of sinning to be pardoned and reinstated.
T: God offered him pardon, and the opportunity to confess his sin. So clearly there was a need for him to repent, to be pardoned, and reinstated.
M: I disagree. See quotes and comments above.
T: Disagree with what? I'll state things in numbered form: 1. God offered Lucifer pardon on the condition of repentance. 2. God gave Lucifer the opportunity to confess his sin before being banished from heaven. 3. Clearly, therefore, there was a need for Lucifer to repent and be pardoned. What are you disagreeing with? I disagree God offered him pardon after he sinned. M: His repentance would have involved him changing his course, making a u-turn. T: Repentance involves u-turn. God offered Lucifer pardon on the condition of u-turn (repentance), which is only logical, as how could Lucifer be reconciled if he continued in rebellion? M: He hadn’t rebelled yet. He wasn’t guilty of rebelling until he made the decision to pursue his course after being convinced to do so would constitute sin and rebellion. T: Ok, call it something else. He was doing something which was sin, for which he needed to repent and confess, and needed to stop and turn around. For example: Leaving his place in the immediate presence of God, Lucifer went forth to diffuse the spirit of discontent among the angels. Working with mysterious secrecy, and for a time concealing his real purpose under an appearance of reverence for God, he endeavored to excite dissatisfaction concerning the laws that governed heavenly beings, intimating that they imposed an unnecessary restraint. Since their natures were holy, he urged that the angels should obey the dictates of their own will. He sought to create sympathy for himself by representing that God had dealt unjustly with him in bestowing supreme honor upon Christ. He claimed that in aspiring to greater power and honor he was not aiming at self-exaltation, but was seeking to secure liberty for all the inhabitants of heaven, that by this means they might attain to a higher state of existence.
God in His great mercy bore long with Lucifer. He was not immediately degraded from his exalted station when he first indulged the spirit of discontent, nor even when he began to present his false claims before the loyal angels. Long was he retained in heaven. Again and again he was offered pardon on condition of repentance and submission.(GC 495) See the first paragraph? Lucifer needed to stop doing this, to repent of it, to turn away from, to do a u-turn. Yes, I agree. But he hadn’t sinned yet. The pardon God made conditional on repentance didn’t involve sin; instead, it involved pursuing a new course, one that did not involve doing the things named in the passage you quoted above. M: Also, do you agree with me that it was Jesus who said, "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh." "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them." What I'm asking you is do you agree these are the very words he spoke? I'm not asking if you take them at face value.
T: You're asking if when God spoke the words He is recorded as speaking, if He spoke those words? Why are you asking this? Is there some alternative I should be made aware of?
M: Do you agree with me that these are the very words He spoke? Or, do you think someone misquoted Him?
T: Do I think God was misquoted? Are you serious? How would this work? "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh." "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them." Do you agree with me that these are the very words Jesus spoke?
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Re: God's Strange Act: What is it, when does it happen?
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Tom, what do you think constitutes "the act of punishment"? And, is it the full result of sinning, that is, is it reaping what they have sown? For example, when God withdrew His protection and sinners were burned alive what part of this sequence is "the act of punishment" - God withdrawing His protection or sinners being burned alive or something else?
PS - I am referring to the following passage: "To our merciful God the act of punishment is a strange act."
PPS - Do you think Satan will arbitrarily impose the seven last plagues on the wicked? Or, do you see the death and destruction portrayed by the plagues as the natural cause and effect consequence of the sins they have committed (like smoking causes cancer)? I think the answers to your questions can be found in considering what happened in the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. The "act of punishment" is described here: The Jews had forged their own fetters; they had filled for themselves the cup of vengeance. In the utter destruction that befell them as a nation, and in all the woes that followed them in their dispersion, they were but reaping the harvest which their own hands had sown. Says the prophet: "O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself;" "for thou hast fallen by thine iniquity." Hosea 13:9; 14:1. Their sufferings are often represented as a punishment visited upon them by the direct decree of God. It is thus that the great deceiver seeks to conceal his own work. By stubborn rejection of divine love and mercy, the Jews had caused the protection of God to be withdrawn from them, and Satan was permitted to rule them according to his will. The horrible cruelties enacted in the destruction of Jerusalem are a demonstration of Satan's vindictive power over those who yield to his control.(GC 35) as well as here: God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but He leaves the rejectors of His mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown.... The Spirit of God, persistently resisted, is at last withdrawn from the sinner, and then there is left no power to control the evil passions of the soul, and no protection from the malice and enmity of Satan. The destruction of Jerusalem is a fearful and solemn warning to all who are trifling with the offers of divine grace and resisting the pleadings of divine mercy. Never was there given a more decisive testimony to God's hatred of sin and to the certain punishment that will fall upon the guilty. (GC 36) In regards to this question: Do you think Satan will arbitrarily impose the seven last plagues on the wicked? Or, do you see the death and destruction portrayed by the plagues as the natural cause and effect consequence of the sins they have committed (like smoking causes cancer)? What do you see happening in the fall of Jerusalem? Do you see one of the things you are asking about happening? If so, which? I don't understand why you think GC 36-37 answers the following questions (please flesh it out for me, thank you): Tom, what do you think constitutes "the act of punishment"? And, is it the full result of sinning, that is, is it reaping what they have sown? For example, when God withdrew His protection and sinners were burned alive what part of this sequence is "the act of punishment" - God withdrawing His protection or sinners being burned alive or something else? PS - I am referring to the following passage: "To our merciful God the act of punishment is a strange act." PPS - Do you think Satan will arbitrarily impose the seven last plagues on the wicked? Or, do you see the death and destruction portrayed by the plagues as the natural cause and effect consequence of the sins they have committed (like smoking causes cancer)?
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Re: God's Strange Act: What is it, when does it happen?
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M: Why, then, didn’t Jesus offer to pardon A&E, whose sin was far less offensive than Lucifer’s?
T: He did.
M:Oops. I should have anticipated you not realizing I meant God offering to pardon A&E without requiring Jesus’ substitutionary death. Well, you know the answer to this. This has been the argument I've been making for years, to argue against your idea. If, as you postulate, the death of Christ were necessary to enable *God* to pardon, then it would have been needed for God to have been able to pardon Lucifer. As you correctly point out, Satan's deeds were much worse than A&E's. So however necessary it was for God to pardon A&E (assuming it was necessary for God), it would have been much more so for Lucifer's case. But it wasn't. Why not? As I've quoted many, many times to you: The life of Christ was not the price paid to the Father for our pardon; but that life was the price which the Father paid to so manifest his loving power as to bring us to that repentant attitude of mind where he could pardon us freely.(George Fifield; God is Love) T: What are you disagreeing with? It doesn't appear to me that you responded to what I wrote. If you did, I'm not following your train of thought.
M:You wrote, “Lucifer sinned before God offered him pardon. Then God offered him pardon, and the opportunity to be restored, if he confessed his sin.” I disagree for the reasons expressed above. You think God offered Lucifer pardon *before* he sinned? And offered him the opportunity to confess his sin *before* he sinned? How would this make sense? T: Disagree with what? I'll state things in numbered form:
1. God offered Lucifer pardon on the condition of repentance.
2. God gave Lucifer the opportunity to confess his sin before being banished from heaven.
3. Clearly, therefore, there was a need for Lucifer to repent and be pardoned.
What are you disagreeing with?
M:I disagree God offered him pardon after he sinned. This doesn't appear to me to be either 1, 2, or 3. Do you agree with 1, 2, and 3? T:See the first paragraph? Lucifer needed to stop doing this, to repent of it, to turn away from, to do a u-turn.
M:Yes, I agree. But he hadn’t sinned yet. Of course he sinned. The things cited in the paragraph of are sins. For example: Working with mysterious secrecy, and for a time concealing his real purpose under an appearance of reverence for God, he endeavored to excite dissatisfaction concerning the laws that governed heavenly beings, intimating that they imposed an unnecessary restraint. This is not only sin, but premeditated and purposeful sin. Note how it says "concealing his real purpose under an appearance of reference for God." This makes clear there was intent behind what Lucifer was doing, and that he knew what he was doing, and knew it was wrong. Additional proof that this is sin is the fact that God offered to pardon him. Yet additional proof is the following: Before he was sentenced to banishment from Heaven, his course was with convincing clearness shown to be wrong, and he was granted an opportunity to confess his sin, and submit to God’s authority as just and righteous. But he chose to carry his points at all hazards. To sustain his charge of God’s injustice toward him, he resorted to misrepresentation, even of the words and acts of the Creator. {4SP 319.1} T:See the first paragraph? Lucifer needed to stop doing this, to repent of it, to turn away from, to do a u-turn.
M:Yes, I agree. But he hadn’t sinned yet. The pardon God made conditional on repentance didn’t involve sin; instead, it involved pursuing a new course, one that did not involve doing the things named in the passage you quoted above. If they weren't sin, he wouldn't have needed to stop doing them. M: Also, do you agree with me that it was Jesus who said, "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh." "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them." What I'm asking you is do you agree these are the very words he spoke? I'm not asking if you take them at face value.
T: You're asking if when God spoke the words He is recorded as speaking, if He spoke those words? Why are you asking this? Is there some alternative I should be made aware of?
M: Do you agree with me that these are the very words He spoke? Or, do you think someone misquoted Him?
T: Do I think God was misquoted? Are you serious? How would this work?
M:"I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh." "I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them." Do you agree with me that these are the very words Jesus spoke? You're asking if when God spoke the words He is recorded as speaking, if He spoke those words? Why are you asking this? Is there some alternative I should be made aware of?
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Re: God's Strange Act: What is it, when does it happen?
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MM,I'd like to get back to a couple of points. First one: MM:Tom, after studying with you I changed my mind about the words "sin" and "pardon" as used by the SOP in the context of Lucifer's rebellion in heaven. I can thank you for that. However, it sounds like you are unaware I changed my mind.
T:Yes, I wasn't aware of this. To the best of my knowledge, you never said this before, nor have you altered your previous opinion in any way. That is, you argued that Lucifer had not sinned when God offered him pardon, and that when God offered Lucifer pardon, it wasn't for sin. I have been thinking this is still what you think, and you didn't change your mind, despite statements that God offered to pardon Lucifer, and gave him the opportunity to confess his sin. Nothing you have been writing in the recent posts indicates you've changes your mind in any way. You're writing the same things you did before you were aware of the aforementioned statements from the SOP. They don't seem to have had the least impact on your thinking in any way, as far as I can tell. Would you please explain how you changed your mind? Second one: Back to your perception of God. What do you perceive this to mean?:
"13:13 Then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land, even the kings that sit upon David's throne, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, with drunkenness.
13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them."
For example, here it says that God will fill all the inhabitants of the land with drunkenness. What do you think this means?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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