M: Why did Jesus command godly people like Moses, Joshua, Samuel, David, and Elijah to kill people?

K: See #129266

I believe he {Tom} believes very similar to what I believe and am shocked that you keep saying you have no idea what he believes when you find nothing else to respond to him with. What I understand Tom to believe is that we should look to Christ to see what God is like, although I understand you disagree with that idea. He does not believe that God uses the methods of Satan nor works with and directs him to destroy those who won't accept Him, nor in any way uses principles of Satan's kingdom. Often times, people refuse God's ideal for them. Rather than zapping them with fire, He works with them as much as they allow in order to bring them back to Him. Saying God works with people who refuses His ideal will is not saying that that is God's ideal will.

M: Again, Jesus commanded godly people to kill ungodly people. He even commanded laws requiring and regulating the execution of capital punishment. In the past, you said commanding and legislating death was not Jesus' will or desire. Seems to me you believe the unholy expectations of God by Jew and Gentile alike forced Jesus to behave uncharacteristically of God. He was willing to compromise in order to win their respect and devotion long enough to wean them from killing people.

In light of this insight, do you think killing people in battle and executing capital punishment reflect the principles of God's kingdom or Satan's kingdom?

K: Which do you think?

We should look to Christ to see what God is like, although I understand you disagree with that idea.

When Jesus commanded His chosen children to kill His enemies in battle, He totally expected them to obey Him in every detail. Obedience is a principle of God's kingdom. When King Saul failed to obey Jesus' command to kill every man, woman, and child, Samuel was commanded to rebuke him and to kill King Agag. "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal." Disobedience is a principle of Satan's kingdom.

Do you agree?

Tom has directed you to this idea on multiple threads at multiple times. I have found no where you confirming that was correct, but instead listing contrary things. Maybe you could post a quote which shows you do agree with looking to Jesus when He came to live among the people to find out what God is like in the Old Testament.

Every part of the Bible is given by inspiration of God and is profitable. The Old Testament, no less than the New, should receive attention. As we study the Old Testament we shall find living springs bubbling up where the careless reader discerns only a desert. {CT 462.2}

The Old Testament sheds light upon the New, and the New upon the Old. Each is a revelation of the glory of God in Christ. Christ as manifested to the patriarchs, as symbolized in the sacrificial service, as portrayed in the law, and as revealed by the prophets is the riches of the Old Testament. Christ in His life, His death, and His resurrection; Christ as He is manifested by the Holy Spirit, is the treasure of the New. Both Old and New present truths that will continually reveal new depths of meaning to the earnest seeker. {CT 462.3}

The instruction given in the Old Testament Scriptures is as verily the word of Christ as the instruction in the New Testament. Christ was as verily man's Redeemer in the days when the Old Testament was written as He was when He appeared in the form of humanity. He gave those of ancient Israel just as favorable an opportunity of working out their own salvation as He did those who listened to His words. {12MR 301.1}

Through all Scripture, in both the Old and the New Testaments, Christ himself speaks; for he is the Word of God; and he who communicates his word is only the instrument of his power. {RH, February 12, 1889 par. 2}

It is impossible for them to understand what is truth, what is the sacred, and what is the common, only as they understand the Scriptures, both Old and New Testaments. {FE 384.1}

The Lord Jesus is the model teacher, and he has given to the world the Old and New Testaments as a text-book. He who created our world, the Father and King of the heavenly world, knows just how to instruct the human family. {RH, July 3, 1900 par. 16}

The Old and the New Testament are inseparable, for both are the teachings of Christ. The doctrine of the Jews, who accept only the Old Testament, is not unto salvation, since they reject the Saviour whose life and ministry was a fulfillment of the law and the prophecies. And the doctrine of those who discard the Old Testament is not unto salvation, because it rejects that which is direct testimony of Christ. {5BC 1094.1}

M: When Jesus commanded His chosen children to kill His enemies in battle, He totally expected them to obey Him in every detail. Obedience is a principle of God's kingdom. When King Saul failed to obey Jesus' command to kill every man, woman, and child, Samuel was commanded to rebuke him and to kill King Agag. "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal." Disobedience is a principle of Satan's kingdom. Do you agree?

K: Do you agree that hacking people to pieces is a principle of Satan's kingdom

Regarding to what you earlier said about compromise: Is it possible to help someone out without compromising one's morals?

M: Why did Jesus command godly people like Moses, Joshua, Samuel, David, and Elijah to kill people?

K: See #129266

I believe he {Tom} believes very similar to what I believe and am shocked that you keep saying you have no idea what he believes when you find nothing else to respond to him with. What I understand Tom to believe is that we should look to Christ to see what God is like, although I understand you disagree with that idea. He does not believe that God uses the methods of Satan nor works with and directs him to destroy those who won't accept Him, nor in any way uses principles of Satan's kingdom. Often times, people refuse God's ideal for them. Rather than zapping them with fire, He works with them as much as they allow in order to bring them back to Him. Saying God works with people who refuses His ideal will is not saying that that is God's ideal will.

T:When God permits someone to suffer, whether death, or destruction, or any other evil which is the fruit of sin, God is permitting something which He did not cause, nor is responsible for

R:But even if He does not cause the person's death, He would still be letting the person die, and this would still be against His principles.

However, I consider that God is partly responsible for the death of the wicked at the lake of fire, as I believe that the resurrection of the wicked in order to be judged is a step that could be skipped.