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Re: No Temptation Too Difficult To Resist! - What? Help! #12965
03/31/05 05:05 AM
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Mountain Man  Offline OP
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If it's not the result of a temptation, then is it more than God can empower us to resist? What if we never stop sinning unintentionally? Or, what if we sin unintentionally after probation closes?

Re: No Temptation Too Difficult To Resist! - What? Help! #12966
03/31/05 06:11 AM
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Isn't there a topic called "It is impossable to overcome before Jesus comes?"

Re: No Temptation Too Difficult To Resist! - What? Help! #12967
03/31/05 01:53 PM
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Mike,

I believe God wants to make us overcomers over both intentional and unintentional sins. I can’t believe Enoch lost his temper, for instance, the day before he was taken to heaven.

Re: No Temptation Too Difficult To Resist! - What? Help! #12968
04/01/05 04:17 AM
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Amen, Rosangela. If it weren't true, if God couldn't empower us to resist even unintentional sins, then I wouldn't be interested in His plan of salvation. It is depressing, or at least discouraging, when professing Christians excuse and defend unintentional sinning, as if it were normal and unavoidable. Usually, when I ask these kinds of questions on MSDAOL, they are ignored or worse. Sometimes I am misunderstood, and the more caring people pray for me, and the less caring ones imply my theology is wrong and misleading.

I really do believe we can take God at His word, that we can claim His promises, exactly the way they are worded, and expect God to fulfill them in and through us, so that we come off more than conquerors - unto the honor and glory of God. I believe these promises can be true now, today, this very moment, and every day. I do not believe we gradually outgrow and overcome our defective traits of character by sinning and repenting less and less until we eventually resemble Jesus.

AG 235
None of us need excuse our hasty temper, our misshapen characters, our selfishness, envy, jealousy, or any impurity of soul, body, or spirit. . . . {AG 235.3}

We must realize that through belief in Him it is our privilege to be partakers of the divine nature, and so escape the corruption that is in the world through lust. Then we are cleansed from all sin, all defects of character. We need not retain one sinful propensity. . . . {AG 235.4}

"Then we are cleansed from all sin, all defects of character." This is true the moment we are born again, not after years and years of sinning less and less. This is also the only way God's promises can be true. God cannot say, I will never allow you to be tempted above my ability to empower you to resist, if it takes a lifetime of sinning and repenting less and less for it to be true. "A genuine conversion changes hereditary and cultivated tendencies to wrong." MAR 237.

MAR 237
The old nature, born of blood and the will of the flesh, cannot inherit the kingdom of God. The old ways, the hereditary tendencies, the former habits, must be given up; for grace is not inherited. The new birth consists in having new motives, new tastes, new tendencies. Those who are begotten unto a new life by the Holy Spirit, have become partakers of the divine nature, and in all their habits and practices they will give evidence of their relationship to Christ. When men who claim to be Christians retain all their natural defects of character and disposition, in what does their position differ from that of the worldling? They do not appreciate the truth as a sanctifier, a refiner. They have not been born again. {Mar 237.1}

6BC 1075
The new birth is a rare experience in this age of the world. This is the reason why there are so many perplexities in the churches. Many, so many, who assume the name of Christ are unsanctified and unholy. They have been baptized, but they were buried alive. Self did not die, and therefore they did not rise to newness of life in Christ (MS 148, 1897). {6BC 1075.7}

Re: No Temptation Too Difficult To Resist! - What? Help! #12969
04/01/05 04:29 AM
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Before I am accused of evil speaking, please understand that I am not implying we will never choose to sin again after we are born again. Rebirth does not eliminate our ability to sin if we so choose. We are always free to sin, and this is true even after we make it to heaven. However, we are not free to sin until we are free from sin. Before we are born again, before we are dead to sin, before we are free from sin, we are the slaves of sin. We cannot not sin.

But, and praise the Lord, rebirth changes everything, otherwise we weren't truly born again. In Christ, we are brand new creatures, new born babes, free from all our former defective traits of character - just not free from our sinful nature, which bombards us with all manner of unholy thoughts and feelings in the form of temptations, which must not be confused with, or considered to be, an unconquered defective trait of character.

Re: No Temptation Too Difficult To Resist! - What? Help! #12970
04/01/05 02:31 AM
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Is "unintentional sin" being used in the sense of "unpremeditated" or "unknown". If it's unknown sin we're talking about, then the only way God can cure us of that is to make it known to us, isn't it? Otherwise we'll just keep on ignorantly doing the same wrong thing.

Re: No Temptation Too Difficult To Resist! - What? Help! #12971
04/01/05 02:55 AM
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Spontaneous, not premeditated. What you posted about sins of ignorance is true. So, what about it? Are unintentional sins considered a temptation? And, does the promise in 1 Cor 10:13 cover it, too?

Re: No Temptation Too Difficult To Resist! - What? Help! #12972
04/01/05 11:04 AM
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Yes, I believe in unintentional sins we also pass through the stages of temptation, although very quickly, and I believe the promise in 1 Cor. 10:13 covers them too, but the key to victory over sin is to be constantly connected to God.

“The only defense against evil is the indwelling of Christ in the heart through faith in His righteousness. Unless we become vitally connected with God, we can never resist the unhallowed effects of self-love, self-indulgence, and temptation to sin. We may leave off many bad habits, for the time we may part company with Satan; but without a vital connection with God, through the surrender of ourselves to Him moment by moment, we shall be overcome. Without a personal acquaintance with Christ, and a continual communion, we are at the mercy of the enemy, and shall do his bidding in the end.” {DA 324.1}

Re: No Temptation Too Difficult To Resist! - What? Help! #12973
04/01/05 02:08 PM
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Amen! It makes so much sense. I am so proud of God, so happy to be a Christian. I can read the promises of God and take Him at His word. I do not have to reword this or that promise to excuse or justify a life of sinning and repenting. In Christ, I can work and rest with confidence in the plainly worded promises of God.

Galatians
5:16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

1 John
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not...
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
3:8 ... For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Re: No Temptation Too Difficult To Resist! - What? Help! #12974
04/01/05 08:37 PM
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quote:
What you posted about sins of ignorance is true. So, what about it? Are unintentional sins considered a temptation?
I'm not following the progression of thought here. If we commit sin ignorantly, then God must make us aware of what we are ignorantly doing before we can overcome that sin, right? We're in agreement on that, aren't we?

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