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Re: "God destroys no man" explained
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01/17/11 05:36 PM
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Re: "God destroys no man" explained
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If people are responding to the Holy Spirit, then there fruit will be like that of other people who respond to the Holy Spirit.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: "God destroys no man" explained
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By "other people" are you referring to the best of believers? If so, are you suggesting there is no difference between their fruit and the fruit of the worst of unbelievers who respond to the Holy Spirit and help feed, clothe, and house the poor and needy?
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Re: "God destroys no man" explained
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"Other people" wasn't specific; it was simply referring to people responding to the Holy Spirit other than the "people" of the subject.
When you speak of "unbeliever," what do you mean? In some sense, if a person is responding to the Holy Spirit, such a person is a believer, isn't (s)he? Isn't that what believing entails, responding to the Holy Spirit?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: "God destroys no man" explained
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By "unbeliever" I have in mind "people who learned about the Lord in the best light and chose not to believe God exists." It sounded like you were saying such people who are kind and loving and compassionate (helping feed, clothe, house, etc the poor and needy) are incapable of such "generous actions" without the aid of the Holy Spirit. If so, do such actions imply they are believers?
Also, when such people perform the kinds of "generous actions" I named above, is there any difference between their actions and the same kind of actions performed by the best of believers? That is, are both sets of actions the result of the Holy Spirit empowering them?
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Re: "God destroys no man" explained
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From Romans 1, we read 18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: This says that people are without excuse because they know of God because God has revealed this knowledge to them. Or do you understand what this is saying in some other way? Regarding your question about believers, it seems to me that anyone who responds to the Holy Spirit is "believing." That is, this is what it means to believe. If a person is truly loving and compassionate, I believe that's only possible by the help of God, because we have sinful natures. As Jesus said, no one is good but God alone. If someone is doing good things, that's because the Holy Spirit is involved.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: "God destroys no man" explained
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M: Also, when such people perform the kinds of "generous actions" I named above, is there any difference between their actions and the same kind of actions performed by the best of believers? That is, are both sets of actions the result of the Holy Spirit empowering them?
T: If someone is doing good things, that's because the Holy Spirit is involved. What is the difference between the two sets of "generous actions"?
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Re: "God destroys no man" explained
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M: Also, when such people perform the kinds of "generous actions" I named above, is there any difference between their actions and the same kind of actions performed by the best of believers? That is, are both sets of actions the result of the Holy Spirit empowering them?
T: If someone is doing good things, that's because the Holy Spirit is involved.
M:What is the difference between the two sets of "generous actions"? I don't see how your question makes sense given my response. What's your train of thought here please?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: "God destroys no man" explained
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If someone is doing good things, that's because the Holy Spirit is involved. 1. The best of believers feed, clothe, and shelter the poor and needy. 2. The worst of unbelievers feed, clothe, and shelter the poor and needy. Two different groups. Identical "generous actions". According to you, the same "Holy Spirit is involved." Is there any difference between the two sets of "generous actions"? Or, are both sets the result of the Holy Spirit empowering each group to perform the same "generous actions"?
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Re: "God destroys no man" explained
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Why do you think the worst of unbelievers would be characterized by such things, as opposed to things like rape, child abuse, etc.?
You jump around a lot. I don't think you've addressed the points I've made. You just ask more questions.
Many of your questions appear to have as an assumption that a person can be loving and compassionate apart from the Holy Spirit's influence. Is this really what you think?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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