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Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Mountain Man] #130260
01/20/11 02:46 PM
01/20/11 02:46 PM
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"The prophecies of the eleventh of Daniel have almost reached their final fulfillment." Mar 25.

As of the time Ellen wrote, the unfulfilled aspects of Dan 11 are:

11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many [countries] shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, [even] Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians [shall be] at his steps.
11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Mountain Man] #130263
01/20/11 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
T:Therefore it's not possible that an increase in rainfall is a sign that Christ's coming is soon.

R:Of course it is. It's an evidence that the Spirit of God is being withdrawn from the earth and the four winds are about to be loosened.


Of course the longer the delay in Christ's return, the worse things will get, but things getting worse is not what Christ is waiting for in order to come! This is really scratching where it doesn't itch.

COL 69 tells us Christ is waiting for His character to be reproduced in His people, and then He will come. It doesn't matter how much it rains in Australia or Brazil.

I believe focusing on matters such as rainfall is missing the mark, as the reasons for the delay in Christ's return are spiritual.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Mountain Man] #130273
01/20/11 07:22 PM
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Quote:
Rosangela, do you think the recent rash of bad occurrences around the world are harbingers indicating the Second Advent is more likely now than ever before?

I think the increase in the frequence and intensity of bad occurrences indicates the near approach of Christ.

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Rosangela] #130275
01/20/11 07:34 PM
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So, exactly why do some of you think that there is supposed to be a connection between the weather and Jesus coming? At first I thought there might be one in Matthew 24, but Jesus never mentions anything weather related there. So where did the idea come from?


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Tom] #130279
01/20/11 08:49 PM
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Quote:
Of course the longer the delay in Christ's return, the worse things will get, but things getting worse is not what Christ is waiting for in order to come! This is really scratching where it doesn't itch.

COL 69 tells us Christ is waiting for His character to be reproduced in His people, and then He will come. It doesn't matter how much it rains in Australia or Brazil.

I believe focusing on matters such as rainfall is missing the mark, as the reasons for the delay in Christ's return are spiritual.

I've never said, nor do I believe, that Christ is waiting for the world to become bad enough for Him to come.
Of Course Christ is waiting for the Church to get ready.
When the Church reflects fully His character, the world will understand God's love and accept Him, and then He will be able to come.
But the Bible implies that there would be disturbances in nature as signs of the second coming (Luke 21:25, 26).

Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Rosangela] #130280
01/20/11 09:03 PM
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Luke 21:25-26
25"And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

Eh... I am not sure I follow how this connects with any of the weather we have had recently.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Rosangela] #130281
01/20/11 09:13 PM
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I think we are struggling with a circular arguement: The world is getting worse, so Christ must be comming, and Christ is comming, so the world must be getting worse. Neither proposition has been actually demonstrated.

Personally, I don't see the world getting worse. Yes, there are bad things happening, but there is also good progress for more rights and freedoms, more aid groups, more international cooperation, more help in times of disaster, longer lifespans, etc. Slavery is universally condemed, we don't have gladitorial games, women have the right to vote, etc. There are a lot advances in how people run the world. (Don't read anything theological into that.)

Study a little history and you will immediately see how lob-sided society was up untill about mid-19th century or so. We're a lot better now than we used to be.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: JAK] #130284
01/20/11 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
But the Bible implies that there would be disturbances in nature as signs of the second coming (Luke 21:25, 26).


If this is understood to mean that Christ's coming must be soon because it's raining more than ever in Australia or Brazil, I think this is being misunderstood.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: Rosangela] #130285
01/20/11 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
But the Bible implies that there would be disturbances in nature as signs of the second coming (Luke 21:25, 26).


To me, this is too nebulous: "...the Bible "implies" there would be "disturbances" in nature..." What does that mean?? dunno

If prophecy is (partly) for God's people to know what is coming, "implying disturbances" is not very helpful. Pretty much anything will fit in that category.

Why, when we're so fond of pointing out the exact fulfilment of prophecy to prove Jesus birth, his Mesiahship, etc., we suddenly go with "implied disturbances"?


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Is it Just Me or is Nature MESSED up? [Re: vastergotland] #130286
01/20/11 11:40 PM
01/20/11 11:40 PM
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Quote:
Luke 21:25-26
25"And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28Now when these things begin to take place, straighten up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

Eh... I am not sure I follow how this connects with any of the weather we have had recently.

The text speaks about disturbances in the the oceans, and this pressuposes, among other things, climate changes. In turn, the oceans are one of the main regulators of climatic conditions in global scale.

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