The quotes I posted earlier contained several texts. You implied Ellen's application of them worked for her and her era but is no longer valid nowadays. What changed?

Also, you said "no texts have been produced" to support divine prohibition. But you yourself admitted that God prohibits the use of alcohol for certain people and at certain times and in certain places. The onus is upon you, therefore, to produce texts that plainly permit the use of alcohol for certain people and at certain times and in certain places. Texts that seem to imply it does not cut it.

The alledged benefits of alcohol apply only to men over 40. Even moderate drinking is harmful to children, young adults and women of any age.
Studies haven't been able to bring a balance between alcohol's benefits vis-a-vis its harms; so even moderate drinking is currently not advisable.
Some may say that the Bible teaches moderation, not abstention. But, in the same breath, it may also be argued that the Bible teaches divorce, polygamy and slavery.
The Christian's guideline is this: "So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God" (1 Cor. 10:31).
Since the alleged benefits of alcohol are just for one of the genders, and only in a given age group, and there's no proof at all that the "benefits" outweigh the harms, I don't know how a Christian can consume alcohol "to the glory of God."
Also, having in view the example we as adults set to our children and the example we as Christians set to non-Christians, I don't know how a Christian can consume alcohol "to the glory of God".

This is something I've pondered. Say you don't have a problem with a given thing (in this case we're discussing alcohol, but the principle applies to many areas), but someone else does have a problem with it. There's a question of influence involved here.

The quotes I posted earlier contained several texts. You implied Ellen's application of them worked for her and her era but is no longer valid nowadays. What changed?

Also, you said "no texts have been produced" to support divine prohibition. But you yourself admitted that God prohibits the use of alcohol for certain people and at certain times and in certain places. The onus is upon you, therefore, to produce texts that plainly permit the use of alcohol for certain people and at certain times and in certain places. Texts that seem to imply it does not cut it.

simple, Scripture states that drunkeness is WRONG. There are many warnings against DRUNKENESS.

A glass of wine or a glass of beer does not make one DRUNK, but 3 or 4 or 5 would make most people drunk or at least to lower inhabitions. Interesting that as Canadian SDA's we focus on drink but the vast majority see nothing wrong with over eating or eating premade vegitarian foods that are full of poison (see additives) so what is the issue with alcohol? Drunkeness is a sin and as SDA's we should proclaim that we abstain by choice as part of the great Health Message, and that scripture does direct us to be sober and clear in mind...
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People can build up a tolerance to alcohol, however, in the beginning, even an ounce of alcohol diminishes moral resolve. In other words, it causes "drunkenness". This accounts for why Jesus wouldn't even sip it off a sponge.

None have been supplied yet.




None of which prohibit consuming alcohol.



Yes, of course. The clear implication is that the people drank alcohol. Why else would there be a prohibition against SOME people at SOME times?



No, it is not. Your inability to support your assertion does not make it my responsibility. I will not do your work for you.

BBD is completely correct when asserting that the Bible speaks against DRUNKENESS, but not against DRINKING.

Deut. 14:26 "And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,"

Proverbs 31:6 "Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. 7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more."

1 Timothy 5:23 "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."

Yes these texts cannot be excluded from the conversation, though their context is important. Since there is strong condemnation of drunkeness, it's hard to see that alcohol is condoned. In Timothy's case I read grape juice. Some health reformers drink nothing but water, Paul was giving his young friend liberty to try grape juice for his stomach.

In Proverbs 31:7, strong drink leads to memory impairment, perhaps permanently. I'm sure the LORD can explain Deuteronomy 14 with satisfaction as well.

What substance, willingly consumed, has cursed the human race more than alcohol? Consumption leads to faulty decisions, rape, murder and war. Infidelty, pregnancy, family violence, divorce and highway carnage. Lifelong addiction, homelessness and cancer. And symbolically it's Babylon's means of deception in Revelation 14.

If we think of our children out bicycling on the streets, would we want anyone behind the wheel with even one beer on their breath?

Or has your wife or daughter ever been date-raped due to alcohol use?

Even the world must admit that alcohol consumption is a curse.

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Aside from the graphic emotional appeal, it has still not been shown that alcohol was banned in ancient Israel. The Hebrews drank. Period. They themselves had no prohibitions against drinking.

Habitual drunkeness was another thing, though. That was and is strongly condemed.