And who is to say with the government control coming on all aspects of our lives that it isnt set up right now.....

Richard, I see you changed your profile name.

What do you mean by "set up right now"? Do you mean to say the USA has already formed an image to the beast? Ellen wrote:


It appears that the USA will fulfill the "image to the beast" prophecy when she begins enforcing Sunday Laws.

As Colin said earlier, the Shut Door teaching was derived from a March 24, 1849 vision of EGW recorded in EW 42-45. In many ways it was partially fulfilled as stated because those who refused to advance in the sanctuary light following the 1844 disappointment were not able to understand the further, sanctuary-based messages, including the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath truths, all leading to the understanding of the 3 Angels Message. Most notably in all of this was William Miller.

I think was is throwing people off here is a false belief that all statements in a prophecy must be fulfilled or else the entire prophecy, namely its prior claimed fulfillments were all false. That is all rooted in a unbiblical understanding of ‘God and the Future’ which does not allow for God to begin to actually, literally fulfill a prophecy, but then halt this and postpone it or even completely reset it, if/when “non expected” circumstances occur “on the ground” (cf. Isa 5:1-7; see also this post for more on the Biblical ‘Foreplanning View of God and the Future’).

So EGW was right on track with her claimed fulfillments, (including the Shut Door), until the Advent believers morphed into a Laodicean state as cited by EGW in 1851 (see Letter #2, 1851 {7BC 966.5}). As she says, Final Events and the Second Coming could have occurred then had that generation been faithful in their Gospel duties. Indeed it is around 1851/1852 that a shift in the previous Shut Door understanding was beginning to manifest itself.

The two people who "came up with it" were George Storrs & Sam Snow. It was called "The True Midnight Cry and Shut door". As Mountain Man said - S.O.P. confirmed Storrs and Snow's schema.

Important to note that Sister White never invented any of our doctrines, others brought forth doctrines and Sister White was given the ability to define truth, where faith and morals are concerned.

Do you have a specific bibliographic reference for their findings (e.g., in the Words of Adventist Pioneers in the EGW writings CD-ROM). My search of “shut door” under the works of these two returned nothing.



Since, as pointed out and referenced earlier by Rosangela, the Millerites’ Shut Door teaching (Parable of 10 Virgins) was different from the Early Adventist’s one (Holy Place in Sanctuary) then, did this still applicable teaching not originate with EGW’s vision in 1849 (EW 42-45)?

Also, as stated here our understanding of the Third Angel’s Message revolving around the Sabbath was first revealed to EGW in a vision. Though not a “doctrine” per se, but a prophetic interpretation/understanding it is still quite close and the focal point of SDA eschatology. I personally that God revealed this understanding through in order to keep this faithful Remnant on the right course, as they had proven faithful in following the doctrine of the Seventh Day Sabbath. There is nothing Biblically illegal nor unlawful here. It may be unpopular with non-SDA Christians, but their opposing attitudes towards the Gift of Prophecy is not to determine, nor limit how God will make use of it.

It's in the October 10th issue of "Midnight Cry" ( 1844 )our brothers the Jehovah's Witnesses have much material on this time - hack. This is as much if not more part of our history as well and I for one think poorly of G.C. pretending the specifics didn't happen - it only tells me they do not understand the SOP.



William Miller initially said that Jesus would come in the spring of 1843 OR the spring of 1844 - both of those dates were called the 1st and 2nd disappointments. After spring of 1844 came and went many of the folks left Miller's movement. It was only after George Storrs and Sam Snow ( Sam being a prophet ) told Miller he was using the wrong calendar and needed to use the ancient Hebrew Lunar Calendar which calculated the great D.O.A. differently then the Gregorian calendar would. This adoption of the ancient lunar calendar gave the suffering Miller band the calculations of October 22, 1844 - the actual date of "the Day of Atonement".

The D.O.A. is the 7th month and 10th day & this is why the movement was called the "Seventh Month movement and TRUE midnight cry". SOP describes this to a "T". It's an amazing story of present truth.

Shortly after the "Great Disappointment" ( October 22, 1844 ) Miller and the majority of the Millerites left for their previous denominations & Miller and the leadership of the Advent movement actually fought against the SOP, attacking Sister White in print. Our Prophet ( Sister White ) actually gave up on the "shut door" and in fact her first vision was what breathed life back into the shut door. Unfortunately at that time the shut door only meant that salvation was forever closed to everyone who rejected the "true midnight cry" ( a period of appromimately 3 months prior to October 22 ) but this is where present truth kicks in and saves the day.








This also has to do with present truth - initially the 3rd angels message was already "in the past", SOP also confirms that but it was only true for a short time - God has power beyond anyones understanding and what was true became untrue by the method of present truth.

Below the S.O.P. describes some of these events.




Hey, an early "Happy Sabbath" to ya!

Interesting posts in that response cephalopod. Just a couple of comments/questions in regards to what you said:



How was “Sam Snow a prophet”?? That is a definite Biblical office that carries certain signs and proof of authenticity, as stated in the Bible and objectively manifest in the ministry of EGW.

I find you “present truth” explanation plausible, however it does not conclusive resolve the issues here.

First of all, what is your reference that shows that the Early Adventists considered the Three Angels messages, particularly also the Third in the past prior to EGW 1846 vision (LS 95, 96)?

Secondly, a comment, I think this issue is more congruously resolved when it is understood that in these indicative vision God was merely using EGW to guide these early Adventist believers in their Bible studies. Thus her “Lesser Light” was being used to guide to the “Greater Light” of the Bible. It is only true that EGW has not received a vision establishing a doctrine that cannot be also wholly proven solely from the Bible. So God was here solely facilitating the Bible studies of these early, non-scholars, for the most part. So ultimately all of our doctrines and prophetic understandings are proven from the Bible irrespective of how God first indicated them to us, i.e., through the prophetic gift.

Because Snow was also known as "Incarnation of Elijah" & Elijah was a prophet. The present truth of that being that while Snow was not Elijah in the ultimate sense he was absolutely correct about 22 October 1844.

As for the quotes those are just a tiny sample of what's there.



We don't know everything Snow did in the same way we don't know everything Agabus did however we accept agabus was a prophet and given nothing in the S.O.P. contradicts Scripture combined with Sister White's confirmation of both Storrs and Snow I take it to the bank Snow ( at least at that time ) was certainly a prophet.



I'll post that for you once I get home, it's absolutely certain - it's right there in black and white.



Yes, I agree with you! Michael came to vindicate God's holy law and Sister White was also used for this purpose - a co-vindicator of God's holy law.







Our Prophet came to vindicate that which God vindicated through Michael. Michael ( God's Son ) came to vindicate God's holy law.







Like our enemies are fond of saying - a person does not need a flashlight to find the sun therefore neither do we need to pretend there is any contradiction between the SOP and the Bible as the author of each is identical.

Love your profile name. Looked it up online. Found this:

Thanks Mountain Man they are amazing creatures for sure.