If I follow? What does that mean? Your post made absolutely no sense. It was simply a mish-mash of pompus-sounding fluff, half-formed ideas, and non-existant words. It did not present a single concrete point worthy of discussion.



Not a bit.

My “If you follow..” statement, is indeed understood by what I continued to say, namely that: ‘...the prophetic Remnant concept in Rev 12, it, being symbolically depicted, starts off in Rev 12:1...’ (I corrected the typos in this quote).

So since I know it is exegetically sound, rightly interpreting prophetic symbols as identified in the Bible, you’ll have substantiate your ranting response with some hard evidence. I.e., why my points are not valid. That is a quite involved prophetic study which I tried to summarize in one paragraph. I thus indeed did not fully develop all of these points. I thought you were/would be familiar with this widely-known, at least in SDA Circles which includes this SDA Forum, prophecy already. So apparently what seems to be “pompous to you” was because I was speaking from a point of view that what I was going to say would be readily understood.

Nonetheless is a full, edited and slightly explained/expanded repost. (I recommend looking up an, e.g., online SDA Prophetic Seminar study on the Remnant Church for a full exposition on the prophecy):



The main point I was making was that the Christian Church was symbolically depicted in this Prophecy as being a Church (Rev 12:1) and its surviving “Remnant” is spoken of at the end in Rev 12:17 (= ‘the rest/remnant/remaining portion of her seed (i.e., the “child” in vs. 1). Thus it too is rightly considered as a Church as it was in its earlier, initial mention Church (vs. 1).

Also, as this is manifestly crucial here: Are you an SDA, a Progressive SDA or of another Christian Denomination? I have previously already discussed many point against the Remnant Church teaching stemming from this post.

I Cor. 1:10-17. I am a Christian who chooses to fellowship with Seventh-day Adventists.

To be exegetically accurate here, Paul was not address a Corinthian Church that was divided over doctrinal differences, but only private allegiances (i.e., who they were baptized by) as this also meant to them that they had received a particular “anointing” from their baptizer. So Paul was not addressing a denominationally divided Christian Church, as it is today, and moreoverly not telling them to ‘not to consider themselves divided despite their doctrinal differences’. For a true unification to occur, these crucial teaching, which affect practical practises, must be Biblically resolved and brought into line with what they Bible actually teaches. So Paul counsel to today’s already fractured Church would most likely instead be: “I wish that there be unity amongst you in the original truth that was delivered to you’.



I can understand that, however if you probe more deeply the reason why you are “choosing” to do so, vs. another Christian Denomination, you will probably begin to understand the concept of a Remnant Church, - i.e., a current Church/denomination that is comprehensively the closest match to the Apostolic original.

Do not be so arrogant as to presume to have the right to explain the reasons for my choices.

Not being “arrogant” nor even “explaining” anything. Just following the inevitable, implicated, sequitur logic here, especially given the 5 distinctive/distinguishing truths of SDA’s , namely: The Sabbath, Sanctuary, Spirit of Prophecy, (Manner of) Second Coming and State of the Dead, all of which usually drive people who do not believe in them away from “fellowship” with the SDA Church. So... don’t put words in my mouth nor mal-construe my intentions! Man, are you hyper-sensitive and touchy on this issue!!!

Just as an aside, of the 5 doctrines above only the Sanctuary may (possibly) be considered either distinctive or distinguishing of SDA theology, and the Investigative Judgement was not included. The other doctrines we share with one or more Christian denominations or religious groups

That may technically be true however, I have yet to see a Spirit of Prohecy gift manifested in another denomination as it was in EGW (2000 vision, valid and foreseeing counsels, works productions including an inspired commentary on my parts of the Bible, etc, not to mention the accompanying manifestation of the physical signs that validate the genuine gift.

The Investigative Judgement in inclusively understood in the Sanctuary Teaching because, as it was annually seen in Ancient Israel, it was this “temple cleansing and judgement session” that capped Israel’s religious calender each year (=Dan 8:14).

Of the top of my head, I cannot think of another denomination that has more than 2 of those 5 teachings (mainly State of the Dead/Sabbath & Second Coming) however without the other 3 (Sanctuary, SOP), the other 2/3 are greatly deficient in their prophetic contribution (e.g., properly understanding Daniel and Revelation, among others). So given the interconnected of these 5 teachings as found in the SDA Church, one really would have to believe in all 5 of them to consider the SDA Church and its message (as a undivided whole) to be preaching the (full) Truth of the Bible.