I'm fairly sure that Sam was a Jesuit - this came to a head when he started to delve into how Islam fits into prophecy.

The Seventh-day Adventist Church was very supportive of the Mohammdean movement and devoted articles in our major publications showing how God used Islam as a hammer against the Trinitarianism of the apostate papal system.

Yes, Ellen's words ARE the final say for true SDA's, there is room outside of what she taught on but the things she taught on were not from her they were directly from God.

God filled Sister White with His Spirit and she then uttered the sacred words which became texts.

Although I also did not agree with Bacchiocchi’s Islam understanding for the little horn power, I nonetheless defend my former professor, friend and inspirational mentor, pointedly for my WBSC plans on this proscribed false rumor-spreading, “false witnessing” charge of being a Jesuit: His abundant works speak for themselves and writing 4+ books fully upholding the Seventh-day Sabbath, not to mention his globetrotting, weekly Sabbath Enrichment Seminars; as well as other books against the “Popular Heresies” of the Catholic Church such as the Secret Rapture, Conscious Life After Death, Eternally Burning Hell, various Futurist-Dispensationalism Interpretations, Wine Drinking and also Biblical Festivals; among other less formal works, this most clearly is not the work of a Catholic-commissioned SDA underminer. Having sat in his classes, I can recall the many times, particularly during Church History classes where he all but blasted historical acts and practices in the Catholic Church.



Apparently, based on what you say here, you are anti-Trinitarian. That is quite contrary to the “light” and statements of the SOP which rightly corrected this false belief among early Adventists. That should be “final” for you.



“Throughout her ministry, Ellen White maintained the primacy of the Bible. In 1851 she appealed: I recommend to you, dear reader, the Word of God as the rule of your faith and practice. By that Word we are to be judged.. dcxci48 In 1901: \The Lord desires you to study your Bibles. He has not given any additional light to take the place of His Word. This light [the gift of prophecy] is to bring confused minds to His Word.. dcxcii49" (From Douglass, Messenger of the Lord, p. 176 [PDF p.135])



You need to thoroughly study out this topic of how the gift of prophecy and inspiration actually works.

Yes, Ellen's words ARE the final say for true SDA's, there is room outside of what she taught on but the things she taught on were not from her they were directly from God. God filled Sister White with His Spirit and she then uttered the sacred words which became texts.

The Bible is the final authority, which EGW states herself.

In other words, if you find anything she says to be opposite to what the Bible says, which I don't expect you will find, the Bible is to be the final authority.

[quote=cephalopod]Yes, Ellen's words ARE the final say for true SDA's, there is room outside of what she taught on but the things she taught on were not from her they were directly from God. God filled Sister White with His Spirit and she then uttered the sacred words which became texts.

Close, my friend, but she's at most 2nd in importance, as the written Word is first. From what you say, here, we must separate verbal inspiration - every word is inspired (which we don't believe) - from thought inspiration - the thought is inspired: this is what Adventism has always believed, not so.

Ellen White's authority is Biblical, so she isn't a stand-alone writer with authority, and her writings - just like any singular, given Bible passage - must be compared with all of Scripture. The whole Bible is the final word, and the best writers today, within the church, I find are those who repeat from their own Bible study what SOP emphasised of Bible truths.

I see that you regard my work and my mission as on a level with your own work. It is now evident to me that the demonstration that you made in effect was, "Now, this is what you need my brethren, this applies to you. But to make an application of the word spoken to yourself was the farthest thing from your mind. When I stand before the people I do not stand in my own spirit. My words are not mine, but His who sent me, and has given me a message to bear. If you consider the words a rebuke, take them; for the Lord meant them to you as such. The Lord has not left me in ignorance of the spirit which some of my brethren have brought to this meeting. It savors not of the Spirit of God. {1888 585.1}

Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, “Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own authority, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him,

I have tried to do my duty to you and to the Lord Jesus, whom I serve and whose cause I love. The testimonies I have borne you have in truth been presented to me by the Lord. I am sorry that you have rejected the light given. . . . {5MR 139.1}

Are you betraying your Lord, because, in His great mercy, He has shown you just where you are standing spiritually? He knows every purpose of the heart. Nothing is hid from Him. It is not me that you are betraying. It is not me that you are so embittered against. It is the Lord, who has given me a message to bear to you.--Letter 66, 1897, pp. 1, 2. (To Brother A. R. Henry, August--, 1897.) {5MR 139.2}

Would you say that the materials produced in "1909" & "1926" should be considered "early Adventist" material?

Perhaps you could join in the discussion on the Trinity thread and offer up some of the corrections Sister White made on the issue of the Trinity.

As for the Bible I fully believe in teachings of Sister White about how we are to study the Bible - The Pioneers who were guided by Sister White were said to have been great Bible readers.

My words are not mine, but His who sent me, and has given me a message to bear. {1888 585.1}