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Re: Are Ellen White's writings the final authority on prophetic, doctrinal, or historical interpretation
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03/05/11 05:11 PM
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Post #130896 - Sister White violently contradicts the so called Bible... ...Our whole Sanctuary Truth is based off that contradiction. ...And remains fundamental to our denominations life.
Not according to my study and reading of scripture! Perhaps you could demonstrate how the texts I offered teach something other then what they appear to say??? ...I would appreciate any efforts you put forward.
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Re: Are Ellen White's writings the final authority on prophetic, doctrinal, or historical interpretation
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03/06/11 01:53 PM
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Post #130896 - Sister White violently contradicts the so called Bible... ...Our whole Sanctuary Truth is based off that contradiction. ...And remains fundamental to our denominations life. Ceph, who made the statements you posted above?
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Re: Are Ellen White's writings the final authority on prophetic, doctrinal, or historical interpretation
[Re: Mountain Man]
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03/07/11 04:34 AM
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I said that Mountain Man... ...Sister White taught that Christ was subject to change. ...And the Bible says the direct opposite. ...As I demonstrated in a couple of posts already.
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Re: Are Ellen White's writings the final authority on prophetic, doctrinal, or historical interpretation
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03/07/11 01:37 PM
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C: Post #130896 - Sister White violently contradicts the so called Bible... ...Our whole Sanctuary Truth is based off that contradiction. ...And remains fundamental to our denominations life.
M: Ceph, who made the statements you posted above?
C: I said that Mountain Man... ...Sister White taught that Christ was subject to change. ...And the Bible says the direct opposite. ...As I demonstrated in a couple of posts already. What is your opinion of Ellen White's prophetic gift, doctrine, and ministry? Also, do you agree with her explanation of our Sanctuary Truth?
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Re: Are Ellen White's writings the final authority on prophetic, doctrinal, or historical interpretation
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03/07/11 01:51 PM
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It is unsafe to read material like this [i.e. opening post] in light of what we know about Satan's eagerness to deceive and derail us in these last days. If he can get people to set aside the SOP as irrelevant he will have accomplished his purpose. Nothing outside of the Bible encourages us to be more faithful and obedient like reading the SOP. Material like you have quoted above serves to turn people away from reading the SOP, therefore, it is dangerous and destructive. Here is how God sees it:
As the end draws near and the work of giving the last warning to the world extends, it becomes more important for those who accept present truth to have a clear understanding of the nature and influence of the testimonies, which God in His providence has linked with the work of the third angel's message from its very rise.--5T 654 (1889). {LDE 44.1}
Men may get up scheme after scheme and the enemy will seek to seduce souls from the truth, but all who believe that the Lord has spoken through Sister White and has given her a message will be safe from the many delusions that will come in these last days.--3SM 83, 84 (1906). {LDE 44.2}
There will be those who will claim to have visions. When God gives you clear evidence that the vision is from Him, you may accept it, but do not accept it on any other evidence, for people are going to be led more and more astray in foreign countries and in America.--2SM 72 (1905). {LDE 44.3}
One thing is certain: Those Seventh-day Adventists who take their stand under Satan's banner will first give up their faith in the warnings and reproofs contained in the Testimonies of God's Spirit.--3SM 84 (1903). {LDE 177.4}
The very last deception of Satan will be to make of none effect the testimony of the Spirit of God. "Where there is no vision, the people perish" (Prov. 29:18). Satan will work ingeniously, in different ways and through different agencies, to unsettle the confidence of God's remnant people in the true testimony.--1SM 48 (1890). {LDE 177.5}
The enemy has made his masterly efforts to unsettle the faith of our own people in the Testimonies. . . . This is just as Satan designed it should be, and those who have been preparing the way for the people to pay no heed to the warnings and reproofs of the Testimonies of the Spirit of God will see that a tide of errors of all kinds will spring into life.--3SM 83 (1890). {LDE 178.1}
It is Satan's plan to weaken the faith of God's people in the Testimonies. Next follows skepticism in regard to the vital points of our faith, the pillars of our position, then doubt as to the Holy Scriptures, and then the downward march to perdition. When the Testimonies, which were once believed, are doubted and given up, Satan knows the deceived ones will not stop at this; and he redoubles his efforts till he launches them into open rebellion, which becomes incurable and ends in destruction.--4T 211. {LDE 178.2}
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Re: Are Ellen White's writings the final authority on prophetic, doctrinal, or historical interpretation
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03/07/11 03:28 PM
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What is your opinion of Ellen White's prophetic gift, doctrine, and ministry?
Also, do you agree with her explanation of our Sanctuary Truth?
Sister White was more powerful than any Prophet which came before her.... ...I've already established that by direct quotes. ...And proven that She easily outranked the so called Bible. ...When Michael talks to you - you will either listen or go about your business. I believe you have missed the Sanctuary Truth fundamental teaching... ...And that teaching is that Sister White interprets the Bible for us and it ONLY means what she has said it means. ...I can demonstrate that with the ease of a hot knife going through butter. Sister White was inspired PAST that of both Moses and John... ...She was God's ultimate Prophet - bar none! I can't believe how people talk about "the enemy coming in", Satan stealing sheep and stuff like that! Sister White absolutely said that our children playing tennis, cricket and football was SATAN WORSHIP - for Pete's sake Mountain Man Sister White actually saw Satan on the playground right there with the kids. I bring this up and some folks claim the 'little kids' were too much into the sport! Come-on! School kids who are exercising for an hour or less in school are not doing that! Most of our schools have full gyms, play basketball, flag football, have a tennis club and everything else. And people think I've lost it!!!
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Re: Are Ellen White's writings the final authority on prophetic, doctrinal, or historical interpretation
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03/08/11 01:52 AM
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Ceph, you seem to have strong feelings about students playing sports at school - "Satan worship". Cricket and football matches and horse-racing absorb the attention. The liquor curse, with its world of woe, is defiling the temple of God; but it brings a revenue into the public treasury: therefore it is legalized. {RH, November 6, 1900 par. 3}
When the attractions of the horse-race are all-absorbing; when the excitement of the cricket-match runs high; when the fascination of the gambling hall is strong; when parties are indulging in luxurious feasts, and revelry is at its height; when all are forgetful of God and of eternity, and "Peace and safety" is the cry that is heard, "then sudden destruction" will come upon men, "and they shall not escape." {RH, August 31, 1897 par. 11}
In the night season I was a witness to the performance that was carried on on the school grounds. The students who engaged in the grotesque mimicry that was seen, acted out the mind of the enemy, some in a very unbecoming manner. A view of things was presented before me in which the students were playing games of tennis and cricket. Then I was given instruction regarding the character of these amusements. They were presented to me as a species of idolatry, like the idols of the nations. {CT 350.1}
Also, it sounds like you believe there's more to the Sanctuary Doctrine than Ellen wrote about. What might that be?
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Re: Are Ellen White's writings the final authority on prophetic, doctrinal, or historical interpretation
[Re: Mountain Man]
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03/08/11 04:22 AM
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Ceph, you seem to have strong feelings about students playing sports at school - "Satan worship".
Yes, it is Satan worship. Satan's work is to destroy. Idolatry is the masterful, powerful working of Satan against truth and righteousness, and therefore against God. {18MR 86.1}
Here is what you left out of Sister Whites words. There were more than visible spectators on the ground. Satan and his angels were there, making impressions upon human minds. Angels of God, who minister to those who shall be heirs of salvation, were also present, not to approve, but to disapprove
I can see why you left out that last part.... ...It demonstrates that Satan communicates within his species of sports. ...And God's Angels DISAPPROVE that Adventist children would participate in the activities of Babylon! It blows me away to have people grip and blather about Spiritual Formation classes being offered.... ...Yet at the same time purchase their children footballs, etc. ...They might as well have bought their kids a witch board. ...Or loaned out their kids to Gypsies for card reading training. What force of powers is put into your games of football and your other inventions after the way of the Gentiles—exercises which bless no one! .... I can not find an instance in the life of Christ where he devoted time to play and amusement. He was the great Educator for the present and the future life. I have not been able to find one instance where He educated His disciples to engage in amusements of football or pugilistic games, to obtain physical exercise... and yet Christ was our pattern in all things." Fundamentals of Christian Education, pp. 228, 229
Be sober,' be vigilant" (not in kicking football and in educating yourselves in the objectionable games which ought to make every Christian blush with mortification at the after-thoughts)--"be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour." Yes, he is on your playground watching your amusements, catching every soul that he finds off his guard, sowing his seeds in human minds, and controlling the human intellect. For Christ's sake call a halt at the Battle Creek College, and consider the after-workings upon the heart and the character and principles, of these amusements copied after the fashion of other schools. You have been steadily progressing in the ways of the Gentiles, and not after the example of Jesus Christ. Satan is on the school ground; he is present in every exercise in the schoolroom. The students that have had their minds deeply excited in their games, are not in the best condition to receive the instruction, the counsel, the reproof, most essential for them in this life and for the future immortal life. {SpTEd 186.1}
Come on folks, people spazz out about a "dance" and some colored hair at an Adventist Univ!!!! ...Where have they been? Sister White rebuked the gentile sports. ...But because people cherished their SINS they discounted God's holy Prophet. ...And choose to justify the sins and thereby insulted the Spirit of God. ...Sister White being the very Sock Puppet of God. Also, it sounds like you believe there's more to the Sanctuary Doctrine than Ellen wrote about. What might that be?
It's the Pioneers who discovered the Sanctuary Doctrine and wrote the MAJORITY on it.... ...Sister White confirmed THAT Sanctuary Doctrine as 'Truth'. ...This is how our Doctrines were established. ...Sister White didn't think these things up - others did. ...Sister White only sorted out what was truth and error. The old saying "if you can't beat em join em" has new meaning for us as a Church... ...Our Church body has cherished the Gentile sports. ...And now boldly uninates on God and His holy Prophet. ...By asking for donations so that WE can put on add on the greatest Gentile sport the WORLD has ever known. Watch it and weep. http://www.goallpower.com/superbowl/Tell me something is not rotten here. The following is what should be blasted on the "Big Game". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCDfSwPVdqY
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Re: Are Ellen White's writings the final authority on prophetic, doctrinal, or historical interpretation
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03/08/11 01:37 PM
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I can see why you left out that last part.... I'm sorry you feel as though I intentionally left out an important part of the quote. I agree with you that Ellen condemned sports as satanic. Do you think church members who play sports are willfully worshiping Satan? I believe you have missed the Sanctuary Truth fundamental teaching... What do you think I'm missing?
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Re: Are Ellen White's writings the final authority on prophetic, doctrinal, or historical interpretation
[Re: Mountain Man]
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03/09/11 06:13 AM
03/09/11 06:13 AM
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I can see why you left out that last part.... I'm sorry you feel as though I intentionally left out an important part of the quote. I agree with you that Ellen condemned sports as satanic. Do you think church members who play sports are willfully worshiping Satan? I believe you have missed the Sanctuary Truth fundamental teaching... What do you think I'm missing? Only the ones who have read the Rebuke Sister White wrote and cherish their sin are willfully worshiping Satan.... ...Most people don't even realize Sister White spoke on this. ...I'm sure Lucifer absolutely loves it this way. I will get my papers in order and show you what the Sanctuary Truth is according to the Pioneers.... ...God has a real body of flesh! So did Michael the archangel AND Lucifer. ...It's all part of the Great Conflict. ...I'll try to get it all posted this weekend.
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