Quoting your own false assumptions of what posters are saying, without saying they are your posts, ain't cricket MM.

No one claims that Christ erases anything from us at His return.

But be warned: He will not overlook your unconfessed defects, pet sins, or personality traits that are unchristlike that you refuse to face just because you have constructed a fanciful theory of your own, no matter how much you write or postulate.

M, or MM, don't you define a defect of character as known sin? Noone here that I'm aware of (at least that has been discussing things on this thread) believes that you can be justified by faith while continuing in known sin. So what's the difference in what you think and what the rest of think?

IMO you use words and phrases in an odd way, which nobody else does (like "righteousness of the law" as the righteousness of God in another thread, when Paul uses it to describe that which is contrary to God's righteousness), which makes it challenging to get down to the really important issues, which have do to with what the words and phrases mean.

So does a defective character indicate anything other than continuing to willfully commit known sin?

Phil, Tom has made it clear, somewhere on MSDAOL, that Jesus will indeed change our defects of character when He returns.

Tom, the SOP talks about hereditary (inherited) and cultivated defective traits of character. What is the difference?

When we die our characters don't change. I'm well aware of this. I can't believe I would have written anything contrary to this. I suppose a slip of the keyboard is possible, but I doubt it on something like this.

MM: Please quote where you surmise Tom stated that he felt the wicked or even the redeemed get this mythical "defects of character changes at His return".

Well, I think we should let MM show where he saw this, Tom. I've read everything you have written, as well as MM's on this subject, as far as I can tell, and if you would have "gone off-track" in any degree I would have jumped on it, I promise.

I truly think this should be settled before we conitue, or we will soon find that we have been entangled and wasting time based on shallow understandings or misreadings or slanted opinionism.

Sorry M, or MM, I missed the question earlier. Inherited traits of character would refer to that which is inherited; that is, in the genes. Cultivated would refer to that which is cultivated; that is, developed by habit. Christ took both upon Him that He might heal us of both.

Very clear , Tom.
Still waiting for MM's revelation of his claim that you say Christ will change us at His return.
Whenever you find that evidence, MM.....

A person who comes from a long line of alcoholics, if not rescued by the Lord, has a very small chance of not becoming a boozer. This is an overt manifestation.

But there are many other less overt traits just as sinful that can be inherited, as well: fearfulness, lying, gluttony, sexual perversions, obstinacy, etc.

I have no idea which defects are strictly inherited or learned, and I don't think it matters one bit where it comes from.

Christ can and will "rewire" anyone that will, at anytime face these defects, helplessly give them to Him to uproot, and stand up in faith that He will do that job, His way.

To make a formula that all MUST face everything all at once before rebirth is seeking to avoid what one is. It also does violence to much of the Word's warnings about education, "I have much to tell you, but youcannot endure them..." etc.

[ May 19, 2005, 01:53 AM: Message edited by: Phil N. D'blanc ]

Six days and no reply from MM.

He must be AWOL...off rock climbing with his students.

Well, so this will not be overlooked, and hoping not to appear a pest, I'll repeat:

Still waiting for MM's revelation of his claim that Tom or I say Christ will change us at His return.
Whenever you find that evidence, MM.....