Quite tellingly interesting cephalopod, that in this discussion you did everything but answer the actual issue at hand!

Yes I've thought of that. And that we don't see the Apostles claiming they were told should help demonstrate exactly the level of Prophet Sister White was. She herself said she "was more then a Prophet". She was either crazy or that statement proves what many within Seventh-day Adventism have always known. My Grandfather died at the ripe old age of 100 back in the 80's and I can assure you he knew this from any angle as did the majority of his close friends.



Israel had it's fate sealed prior to the death of Christ, Judaism is the ultimate "whore of Babylon" according to the Bible - if we intend to allow the Bible to interpret itself.



It's not infiltration at all - we have always had a voice, it's just since the death of the prophet we have been pushed under the carpet in the corner - that's changing. Soon we will have mailers ready to send to literally every denomination that's considered Orthodox Christian in belief with powerful statements from the Pioneers of the Seventh-day Adventist Church bolstered by our Prophet all backed up by rock solid dates so that no one will have to wonder if it's not legit.

If I had the money I would fly down and personally hand one to John Ankerburg and hope he puts it on t.v.! Big things are happening in the world right now and the Personality of God as taught by Sister White needs to get out there while there is still time.

People need to know Christ could have lost his salvation, people need to know where the so called Bible's place really is. We have special revealed truths that no one else has, that no one else ever could have unless they accept Ellen White as God's messenger. It's time SDA's get with the program and think for a minute what Sister White meant when she said she was the lessor light.

What that means is that Ellen draws out the truth of what the Bible means in simple terms. The impeccability of Christ is only one such maggoty horror that without the lessor light correcting our thinking the Bible absolutely teaches from the first book of it to the last. Your lack of answers to my list of texts showing the Bible ( without an infallible guide ) teaches Christ could have never sinned demonstrated that to all of us loud and clear.

Page 6, last two paragraphs - Ellen White IS the final court of appeal for God's people.
http://www.adventistarchives.org/docs/RH/RH19710603-V148-22__B.pdf#search=%22 when will the people of God %22&view=fit

I hope you see the light.

Still anything else but an answer to the pertinent issue of this discussion...

I really hope for your sake that your fundamental belief of yours in this view is not dependent on whether or not I chose to take the needed time to rightly address your list of texts. It just was not worthwhile to me to expend such effort to answer you, given your general stance against the testimony of scripture, not to mention that answering your claims would be like trying to disprove a non-existent negative. Not worth my time... nonetheless you are indeed free to take this in which ever way you need to.

Like I've said NJK, theologically you couldn't have got where you are at without ignoring the initial mechanism which incepted it...
...That being a categorical rejection of Scripture's authority when it's pitted against a real Prophet.

We would not even be having this discussion w/out that initial rejection of the Bible...
...How you can continue to ignore that simple fact is beyond me.
...Perhaps it's better for you to continue ignoring what every student of the time hack knows.

I already responded to that spurious argument of yours: God looked at the heart of those who rejected the Midnight Cry and saw that they were not really rejecting it because of the ‘not knowing the day or hour’ text which they were claiming but really because they did not want to see Christ return. EGW makes this clear so deal with her understanding of it. No “rejection” of the Bible took place here at all! That is only your private view which also rejects EGW’s statement, as at other “convenient” times, to uphold it. You claim to be such a staunch believer in the SOP, but what you are actually doing is selectively upholding passages that agree with your general tenure of things and ignoring the others! And that is a repeatedly, concretely demonstrated fact!

You just made my point again NJK. There was NO OTHER MESSAGE apart from repent, Jesus is coming on a specific time....
...So, according to the Bible the message itelf was a LIE.
...Did Jesus come in the Sping of 1843 or 1844? Did Jesus come on October 22 of 1844?

The message itself was a LIE if you are going by the Bible...
...How would the people hearing the message test THAT message if not by the message they were given.
...And you know exactly what the message was.

When you can show me where a group of people in the Bible openly reject God's previously established teaching and on account of their rejection are said to have "passed God's test" by rejecting the light they had already been given then I will listen to your reasoning - until then just deal with the fact that in this case I'm 100% right.

Using your logic how could you claim I'm wrong when it's been demonstrated our founding Pioneers were saved because they rejected the Bible in favor of a message, that was a total lie? Please, don't say I'm wrong because the Bible says I'm wrong - that's a total joke given you position on this issue.

Put yourself on the gound AT THAT TIME - you hear the message that you need to repent because Jesus is coming on a spefific date THAT is the ONLY message - you pass the test because you reject what the Bible says about date settings. Get it?





She indeed did make it clear - she herself made it clear there was only two parts to the message ( repent, Jesus is coming on x,y then z ). The ONLY problem the masses had with "the message" was DEFINITE TIME, Sister White said that herself.

So, do the math - a person promulgates a message and part of that message is AGAINST the Bible - the people who ACCEPTS the message fully PASSES THE TEST while the people who rejected the message and listed the Bible failed. The Bible stood in their way, deal with it.

What you seem to fail to realize is that the people who passed the test STILL REJECTED the BIBLE so it does little good to point at the hearts of the people who rejected the message because of what the Bible said.

That's like saying right is wrong and wrong is right - up is down and down is up. Despite the people who accepted the message having pure hearts they STILL REJECTED a fundamental teaching of the so called Bible.

Seriously cephalopod, your reply is, all contextual things considered, “whatever” you need it to be...

I am guided by the full beams of the Greater and Lesser Lights, so your “spinning” strobe light show is neither impressing nor deceiving me.



EGW clearly got her convict and understand of this experience solely from Scriptures as did others and furthermore, she clearly says that it was flawed but was used by God as a sifting test of professed Christian Believers then. I’ll take her words over your suppositions every time!

And what’s with the mantra like repetitions... trying to hypnotize me. It just looks to me, given that you skirt the actual issues at the pointedly issue, that you are desperately trying to convince yourself. For your own good, you might want to change this approach of yours and rather substantively and focusly deal with the issues at hand. Otherwise you just give off the impression of someone who cannot rationally function or think outside of a selectively set “creed”.

Good, I'm glad you see at least that much. Now, WHAT is your understanding...
...Of the mechanism a "professed Christian" is to use to TEST?
...What does that so called Litmus test say about knowing definite time?

The Bible I'm reading says this;





Incarnation of Elijah, Sister White, George Storrs and William Miller all were seeking after signs...
...The so called Bible is pretty plain in what it says about doing that.

Do you seriously believe IF the Bible is what the so called Churches claim it is...
...That Father, in His infinite power would be reduced to using a lie that required rejection of the Bible.
...As a means to SIFT true Christians out from false?

If a "true Christian" tests everything by the Bible and only holds fast to that which is good...
...Then a "good Christian" would have rejected difinite time.
...And according to Sister White, by default rejected the Midnight Cry.

Of course it ( "the test" ) was flawed if the Bible is what you seem convinced it is...
...I'm also glad you at least see that.
...So, The infinite God uses a lie to teach an ultimate truth.
...I'm glad we agree on things thus far.

Sister White was EXPLICIT that "definite time" would NEVER be used as a test again...
...What theological premise could you share with me as to why she said that?
...A flawed sifting test which went against the very Bible which was used to generate the message.
...Was executed by Father to sift out the false sheep.
...Who were required to urinate on the Bible to pass God's test.
...No wonder the evangelicals laugh at us.

Instead of standing on the ground we previously did by upholding our holy Prophet...
...We attempt to develop a new theology of apologetic for Sister White!
...She needs NONE, she is the Spirit of Prophecy, the very Word of God.

As the Pioneers so boldly proclaimed, the Remnant Church WILL have The Spirit of Prophecy...
...For without the S.O.P. there is NO Remnant Church.




Sister White IS the Spirit of Prophecy in as MUCH as Paul, Peter, James and John.







Satan is wroth because of Sister White.









I'm going to assume you still believe the S.O.P. was fully "manifested" in the Person of Ellen G. White, do I have that right?

So no, I have no mantra NJK I'm just willing to accept the facts that we indeed do have a mighty Prophet because the Faith of Jesus IS SISTER WHITE - unless you want to try to hose that teaching into the drain as well.

Instead of telling me that God used a mistake why don't you tell me how faithful Christians who tested EVERTHING by the so called Bible could have accepted the Incarnation of Elijah's message of definite time. And WHY, if that was not important would THAT test never again be used to sift the people of God again?

Take it as you will cephalopod, but I am not going to reply to any of your self-contradicting, non-exegetical, wild and haywire posts until you make rational, sequitur and most importantly, Biblical sense. Your call!! And don’t put word in my mouth!!