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Re: Christ Justified
[Re: Colin]
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08/28/10 01:26 PM
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Yes, he was daily justified in the Spirit like we are, yet there were 4 differences between him and us, one of which you have already mentioned. But, first... And He said to them all, "If any man will come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. (Luke 9:23) Jesus himself did just this, too, as our Example, for the two covenants are concurrent and he did only what we have to do to be spiritually alive by faith: well known that we have to choose between the basically sinful human mind we have and the mind of Christ - i.e. Holy Spirit of Christ, every moment of every day, starting when we wake, etc. He too had that choice, and was born from above, daily: that he took humanity, and wasn't naturally human, allowed him to pioneer righteousness by faith in reality, born with the Spirit, not just of the Spirit. That's a mystery Richard has quoted from in 1 Tim 3:16. Now, the differences - obvious when you think about it. He was & is divine, too; he couldn't fall into temptation if he were to be the world's Saviour (what, seriously, would have happened had he sinned?) - we 'may' fall; he learned righteousness by not falling into temptation - we learn from falling into temptation; he never fell, of course.... Thus, he is our great High Priest, but Saviour first! Amen!
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Re: Christ Justified
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I don't think He was justified in the same way we are. Whose character will stand in the place of His character? I found the answer from a unexpected source.... It came like a light bulb going off in our heads as one of the young ladies gave us the following to our surprise as we pondered the question trying to understand at our 'round table' of scholars at church. Matthew 3:15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
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Re: Christ Justified
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So Christ was justified, just as we are justified, and He went through the same process that we must go through in this. I don't think He was justified in the same way we are. Whose character will stand in the place of His character? I found the answer from a unexpected source.... It came like a light bulb going off in our heads as one of the young ladies gave us the following to our surprise as we pondered the question trying to understand at our 'round table' of scholars at church.
Matthew 3:15
Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. No-one, since his character is meritorious and accepted by the Father.  It answers the question, given that fulfilling all righteousness involves at least not consenting to sin but submitting to the Holy Spirit, in order to qualify as Saviour at all. As I see that verse answering the question, by qualifying as our Saviour Jesus also established himself as our example in dying daily to self and sin - sin in his assumed flesh, which is justification by faith, too. Luke 9:23. Yes, Jesus sets Himself as our example. As He is fully man as well as fully divine, He has to follow the process for man, and being Justified is one of them. Jesus was justified by " fulfilling all righteousness." Hence, His character was meritorious and acceptable to God as-is, needing neither substitute nor external righteousness. But that is not OUR process of justification. We are not justified because WE fulfill all righteousness. On the contrary, our righteousnesses are filthy rags. We are justified be receiving, not fulfilling, righteousness. We need an external righteousness - one from outside of ourselves - from our Substitute. So, while Jesus was justified by fulfilling the requirements of the law, we are justified by faith, apart from the requirements of the law. Furthermore, should we reach the point where we cease from every form of sin, when we no longer fall short of God's glory, we will still need Christ's imputed righteousness.
By God's grace,
Arnold
1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Christ Justified
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Jesus was not justified by His own righteousness, but by the righteousness of God. He was righteous by faith. A couple of quotes. If He had come into the world as He was in heaven, being God, manifesting Himself as He was there and God being with Him, His name would not have been "God with us," for He would not then have been ourselves. But He emptied Himself. He Himself was not manifested in the world. For it is written: "No man knoweth the Son but the Father"--not simply no man, but no one. No one knoweth the Son but the Father. "Neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him." It is not written, No man knoweth the Son but the Father and he to whom the Father will reveal Him. No. No man knoweth the Son at all, but the Father. And the Father does not reveal the Son in the world, but the Son reveals the Father. Christ is not the revelation of Himself. He is the revelation of the Father to the world and in the world and to men.(A. T. Jones Sermon #15, 1895 GCB) I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea thy law is within my heart. I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O Lord, thou knowest. I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation...(Hebrews 10) In Jesus Christ as He was in sinful flesh, God has demonstrated before the universe that He can so take possession of sinful flesh as to manifest His own presence, His power, and His glory, instead of sin manifesting itself. And all that the Son asks of any man in order to accomplish this in Him is that the man will let the Lord have Him as the Lord Jesus did.
Jesus said, "I will put my trust in Him." And in that trust Christ brought to every one the divine faith by which we can put our trust in Him. And when we do so separate from the world and put our sole trust in Him, then God will so take us and so use us that our sinful selves shall not appear to influence or affect anybody, but God will manifest His righteous self, His glory, before men, in spite of all ourselves and our sinfulness. That is the truth. And that is the mystery of God, "Christ in you, the hope of glory." God manifest in sinful flesh.(Jones, ibid.) I didn't find the best ones, but these are good enough to make the point. If Christ has simply manifest His own righteousness, that would not help us, because we have no righteousness of our own that could be manifest. But Christ emptied Himself, and chose to do God's will, that God's righteousness might be manifest in Him, and that's something we can do. As Christ was righteous by faith, and that righteousness was not His own righteousness, but that of Another, so also we can be righteous by faith.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Christ Justified
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I found the answer from a unexpected source.... It came like a light bulb going off in our heads as one of the young ladies gave us the following to our surprise as we pondered the question trying to understand at our 'round table' of scholars at church.
Matthew 3:15
Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. This is a great point! The SOP, in discussing this, says that Christ took the steps of repentance. Now Christ had no sin of His own to repent of, but He took our sins upon Him. An interesting thought is that Christ had both sin which was not His own, and righteousness which was not His own. Of course, the sin upon Him was ours, not His, as He was sinless, but also the righteousness manifest in His life was not His own inherent righteousness, but that of the Father, which He laid hold of by faith.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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