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Re: Christ Justified
[Re: Colin]
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05/18/11 02:24 PM
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Yes, yes...  Why is justification by faith, imputed righteousness, also called our qualification for heaven? Is pardon alone our qualification for heaven, or also, more importantly, regeneration by the Spirit, rebirth in the Spirit??? The pardon alone explanation you present, MM, looks uncannily like the forensic only, legal standing of acquittal, justification of Evangelicalism. Tell me why it isn't, please? Is the Spirit of God imputed to us unilaterally by God, or are we born again by imparted righteousness, by choosing to obey before we actually receive the Spirit. That's why rebirth is the experience of justification, and living that new life is sanctification: the experience of justification in action, not just the renewal of a moment. The difference between Ellen's view of it and Evangelicals is both are necessary. Not only must God justify pardoning and saving penitent sinners, He must also empower them to "go and sin no more."
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Re: Christ Justified
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Thank you for sharing your view. Justification deals with past pardoned sins. However, it does not change our heart in the same way sanctification does. Jesus will cease offering justification to sinners after probation closes. Sanctification, on the other hand, will continue to happen throughout eternity, namely, growing in grace and maturing in the fruits of the Spirit, which, by the way, does not require justification. You're limiting what justification entails. I've already presented several quotes demonstrating this. First of all, from Waggoner. Jones repeated the same thing. Ellen White echoed their view. Secondly, from Ellen White herself, the fig-leaf quote. The nakedness is covered (justification), when the heart is merged with Christ's heart, etc. That involves much more than a mere legal pardon for past sins. Finally, here's another quote: How, then, are we to be saved? "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness," so the Son of man has been lifted up, and everyone who has been deceived and bitten by the serpent may look and live. "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the
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world." John 1:29. The light shining from the cross reveals the love of God. His love is drawing us to Himself. If we do not resist this drawing, we shall be led to the foot of the cross in repentance for the sins that have crucified the Saviour. Then the Spirit of God through faith produces a new life in the soul. The thoughts and desires are brought into obedience to the will of Christ. The heart, the mind, are created anew in the image of Him who works in us to subdue all things to Himself. Then the law of God is written in the mind and heart, and we can say with Christ, "I delight to do Thy will, O my God." Ps. 40:8. This is clearly talking about justification, right? Notice what is mentions: 1.Then the Spirit of God through faith produces a new life in the soul. 2.The thoughts and desires are brought into obedience to the will of Christ. 3.The heart, the mind, are created anew in the image of Him who works in us to subdue all things to Himself. 4.Then the law of God is written in the mind and heart, and we can say with Christ, "I delight to do Thy will, O my God." Ps. 40:8. These are the sorts of things one often thinks of in relation to sanctification, yet here they are all mentioned in the context of justification. Ellen wrote, "If we do not resist this drawing, we shall be led to the foot of the cross in repentance for the sins that have crucified the Saviour. Then the Spirit of God through faith produces a new life in the soul." Here she describes a when-then sequence. When we repent then we are empowered to live in harmony with the will of God. Two different aspects of salvation.
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Re: Christ Justified
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Ellen wrote, "If we do not resist this drawing, we shall be led to the foot of the cross in repentance for the sins that have crucified the Saviour. Then the Spirit of God through faith produces a new life in the soul."
Here she describes a when-then sequence. When we repent then we are empowered to live in harmony with the will of God. Two different aspects of salvation. Two different aspects of justification.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Christ Justified
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05/20/11 12:37 AM
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I agree justification precedes sanctification and that both continue to be viable and necessary forever thereafter, but you didn't actually explain how you believe they are different. Do you view them as one and the same thing, as synonyms, as interchangeable words? I wrote: Sanctification is the result of justification continuing throughout one's life. EGW said it was the experience of a lifetime, or something like that. If these were interchangeable words, this would become: Justification is the result of justification continuing throughout one's life. EGW said it was the experience of a lifetime, or something like that. You don't really think this makes sense, do you?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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