Also, some might want to take a look at this thread, which discusses Daniel 12, and where there is a link to Eugene Prewitt's study about it.

But you're still under the supposition that all numbers are related to the same period. Where does Ellen White say the 1260 of Daniel 12 is 538-1798? In fact, does she say anything about Daniel 12 other than we need to study it for the future? Is there anything in Daniel 12 that applies to the future? Or anything in Daniel for that matter?

This quote "This message announces the end of the prophetic periods. {2SM 108.1}" Is often interpreted to say that all prophetic time ended at that time. But the phrases "prophetic periods" and "prophetic time" as used in th Spirit of Prophecy refer to the day and hour of Christ's Advent.

Here is the quote:"14 And he said <0559> (8799) unto me, Unto two thousand <0505> and three <07969> hundred <03967> days <06153> <01242>; then shall the sanctuary <06944> be cleansed <06663> (8738)."

and here's the cross-reference:
0505 &#1507;&#1500;&#1488; ‘eleph eh’- lef

prop, the same as 0504; n m; {See TWOT on 109 @@ "109a"}

AV-thousand 500, eleven hundred + 03967 3, variant 1, twelve hundred + 03967 1; 505

1) a thousand
1a) as numeral
2) a thousand, company
2a) as a company of men under one leader, troops

That is something you will have to take up with the online Bible people that make Strong's available to everyone.

But it is helpful to have this reference that you kindly gave http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/dan8.pdf

a little more time consuming but truth is worth a little extra effort.

This is something I did not know. Thank you.

Kland this might help.



When she states light is to go as never before, is she saying a different method of disseminating light or a different meaning is to be attached to the prophecies in the endtime?







In Daniel 10:4 Gabriel's explanation that was given by the Hiddekel River and 12:5 shows that Daniel is still at the river. Thus Daniel 12 relates especially to the last days. So when are the "last days" according to the SoP?



Since Mrs. White places "these last days" after 1844, and Daniel 12 is linked to the rivers, it follows that EVERYTHING in Daniel 12 "from God was given especially for these last days." Thus the 1260 in Daniel 12 is not applicable to the 538-1798 events that are fixed historically before 1844.

And the 1260, 1290 and 1335 in Daniel 12 cannot be understood after 1844 in the context of a day for a year and still apply to the last days (sometime beyond 1844). From any date after 1844, the 1260-years would extend beyond 3104AD.

Thank you for asking.

The passage says:

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
5 Then I Daniel looked, and behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And I said to the man clothed in linen, who was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by him that liveth for ever, that it shall be for a time, times, and a half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be 1290 days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1335 days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Ellen White comments on this:

Twice Daniel inquired, How long shall it be to the end of time? "And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And He said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be 1290 days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1335 days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days." It was the Lion of the tribe of Judah who unsealed the book and gave to John the revelation of what should be in these last days. Daniel stood in his lot to bear his testimony which was sealed until the time of the end, when the first angel's message should be proclaimed to our world. These matters are of infinite importance in these last days; but while "many shall be purified, and made white, and tried," "the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand." How true this is! Sin is the transgression of the law of God; and those who will not accept the light in regard to the law of God will not understand the proclamation of the first, second, and third angel's messages. The book of Daniel is unsealed in the revelation to John, and carries us forward to the last scenes of this earth's history. {TM 114.6-115.3}

In his vision of the last days Daniel inquired, "O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. . . . Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1335 days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days" [Dan. 12:8-13]. Daniel has been standing in his lot since the seal was removed and the light of truth has been shining upon his visions. He stands in his lot, bearing the testimony which was to be understood at the end of the days. {1SAT 225.5}

The prophecy of the first angel's message, brought to view in Revelation 14, found its fulfillment in the advent movement of 1840-44. In both Europe and America, men of faith and prayer were deeply moved as their attention was called to the prophecies, and, tracing down the Inspired Record, they saw convincing evidence that the end of all things was at hand. The Spirit of God urged His servants to give the warning. Far and wide spread the message of the everlasting gospel, "Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come." Rev. 14:7. {SR 356.1}

If in the city of Boston and other cities of the East, you and your wife will unite in medical evangelistic work, your usefulness will increase, and there will open before you clear views of duty. In these cities the message of the first angel went with great power in 1842 and 1843, and now the time has come when the message of the third angel is to be proclaimed extensively in the East. --Letter 20, 1910. {Ev 389.3}

So, to me things are clear. Daniel's message was sealed until the time of the end. As Daniel inquired when the time of the end would be, the answer was that it would be after a time, times and a half (1260 days); there is then a mention to the 1290 days and blessing on those who come to the 1335 days. Then it's said that Daniel would stand in his lot at the end of the days. Ellen White says that the time of the end would be at the proclamation of the 1st angel's message; since then Daniel is standing in his lot. She says this was in the advent movement of 1840-1844, but specially in 1842/1843. Remember that according to the Historicist interpretation the 1335 days end in 1843. So it's clear that the 1260 go from 538 to 1798, the 1290 from 508 to 1798, and the 1335 from 508 to 1843. There is a perfect harmony between this interpretation and what the Bible and Ellen White say.


Sure. Verses 1-3. They portray the very end of the time of the end. The verses following these speak about the beginning of the time of the end.

I don’t see this response as being indicative nor conclusive of your point that prophetic time should be reckoned after 1844. Perhaps you think that the phrase: “which should precede the advent of our Lord” means ‘the time until/up to when Jesus actually returns,’ but that view would be/is refuted by the fact that, as recorded in 1MR 100.1, EGW made that statement in 1900 [=Ms 59, 1900, pp. 8, 9. ("Jots and Tittles, II," August 16, 1900.)], thus 56 years after 1844. Moreover, quite clearly in that statement, she understood this include all time period shorter than ‘the longest of those times’, namely the 2300 days.



From even just your quoted EGW statement above I don’t see this to be true. Also what “Scripture” are you referring to. To say that you “believe” that the time element in a Bible prophecy will be fulfilled in the future, or even, has recently been fulfilled, is not actually a proof against this “I was shown” statement of EGW.

Also these already cited, many other SOP quotes in this regard, (E.g., 2SM 73 (1885), 10MR 270 (1888); 272 (1891); 7BC 971 (1900); cf. LDE 35-36; RH, November 1, 1850 par. 12; cf. RH, Nov. 22, 1892 par. 7.) clearly show that EGW was copiously, consistently and unequivocally clear on this issue, even rebuking those in her time who went against it. (See e.g., in this blog post [Note #4 and/or Search for “Brother Hewit”]) Indeed, though she spoke of many time fulfillments which she even expected for her time, she never made an exposition on time elements, indeed namely, the 1290 & 1335 days.

Indeed it makes all the sense in the world why God would make a direct revelation to EGW about this, given the normative, even logical, likelihood of involving time element in future fulfillments.



These SOP quotes are taken out of their context. You are making them seem like EGW is ‘rebuking the error of not make prophetic time interpretation after 1844' when that is not at all what she was saying nor referring to as “error”. Therefore this is a patent SOP “proof text”

In ST, January 29, 1885 par. 15 she is referring to doctrinal errors in the Early NT Church During Paul’s and John time. There was not even a notion or understanding of how to interpret time prophecies then.

In FE 450.1, indeed as seen in the opening sentence of that paragraph that you left out she says: “Great light was given to the Reformers, but many of them received the sophistry of error through misinterpretation of the Scriptures.” Thus she is referring to errors from the time of these Reformers. And as the work of these Reformers went on to make understood the interpretation of time elements in Bible prophecies, she surely, especially in your view, is not saying that this was one of the pointed errors that been passed on to the, actually distinct Remnant Church. Indeed she, writing this in 1897 (see SpTEd 154.1) is speaking about Catholic and Protestant Churches (not including of course, the SDA Church).

Actually that is what I do understand as the Theological Truth and Reality. If: “Satan can keep the Church from preparing” which can only be done by Church members choosing to follow and adhere to the unbiblical suggestions of Satan, then how can the Character of God ever be perfectly reproduced in them?? Indeed: “Christ is waiting with longing desire for the manifestation of Himself in His church.” (COL 69.1).

For God to “make this happen”, would be for Him to violate man’s freewill and force professed believer to “perfectly”, as He fully expects, do His will (COL 62.1-69.2) = ‘reflect His Character.’



The (though falsely concluded) “ambiguity” here is not with God or His Word, but with the freedom man has been given. Jesus will come. When the work is done, which will and only can be done by a Character-wise, “perfected” people of God.

Also to claim, as implied that you “assuredly” have specific prophetic time for the unfolding of Final Events and/or from the Bible, the time for the Second is, by SOP and Bible testimony actually quite unbiblical.



When taken into fuller SOP context, this concept of an “Appointed Time” is clearly dependent on when the work really begins to be finished. Both the Bible and SOP speak of the Four Winds being about to be released but God then commissioning an angel to hold them back. EGW saw this occurring in her time. Indeed she believed that the Second Coming would have occurred in her day, had the Church been ready. So clearly God’s “appointed time” depends first on the advent of a “season” and that is pivotally the “season” of a truly prepared people who are then engaged in truly finishing God’s work, and that, as He expects it to be done.

(For transparency and documentation’s sake, it would be interesting to see your other “appointed time” statements. Just cite the SOP references.)

Although I would generally agree with the fundamental principle that God’s prophecies do applicably and purposely speak in at least some part to every generation of believers since they are given, and thus Ezra would have been motivated by his understanding and reckoning of Daniel’s 2300 day prophecy, to seek to effectuate a Return in order to “beautify” the, by then, already rebuilt temple and make it fully functional (Ezra 7:12-20ff), among other granted powers, I have a technical problem with you claiming that he arrived in Jerusalem 19 days before Yom Kippur. As you had quoted, the Bible says he arrived on the First day of the 5th Month (Ezra 7:8b) the Day of Atonement was on the 10th day of the 7th Month (Lev 16:29). With the Hebrew lunar calender then having ca. 30 days per month, there was ca. 70 days between Ezra’s arrival and the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur)!??