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The Bible and Polygamy #133946
05/31/11 05:52 PM
05/31/11 05:52 PM
Rosangela  Offline OP
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GC, the Bible also brings commands governing slavery. Is slavery another "gray area" for you?

Re: The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Green Cochoa] #133948
05/31/11 06:31 PM
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How come the woman brought to Jesus was not stoned? Stoning did not always happen. The witch of Endor survived too. On the other hand, Nadab and Abihu were struck down by God Himself for their drunken sin, but Noah and Lot were not.

If there was no one willing to stone the person, the person obviously was not stoned. This happened because Jesus revealed the sins of the people who brought her to Him and they saw they deserved to be stoned, too, so they went away. Idolatry should also be punished with death, but when the whole Israel was worshiping idols, obviously nobody executed the penalty. The witch of Endor was not stoned because Israel was in apostasy and no one was willing to stone her (or everybody was afraid to do it). The same happened with David when he committed adultery with Bathsheba. No one dared to stone the king.
However, the bill of divorce was not an alternative to stoning. It was not applied in cases of adultery.
As to Nadab and Abihu, they were struck down by God for bringing strange fire to the sanctuary.

Re: The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Rosangela] #133959
06/01/11 02:50 AM
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Stoning was a commandment, not an "if you want to" sort of thing.

Where are your supporting scriptures relative to divorce, adultery, and stoning? Please make your case, and I am willing to hear it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Green Cochoa] #133962
06/01/11 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Stoning was a commandment, not an "if you want to" sort of thing.
Were there some things "commanded" which were not followed? Could it be, that somethings they "enjoyed" doing, such as killing, and other things they did not follow? Could that be the reason they were in the situation they were?

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If the Bible taught what you are asking it to teach (it doesn't), the following Godly men would all have been "adulterers."

Abraham
Jacob
Elkanah
David
Solomon
Thinking of at least David, what about murderers, a man after God's own heart? Does that mean murderers go to heaven or David won't be in heaven?

Re: The Bible and Polygamy [Re: kland] #133968
06/01/11 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Thinking of at least David, what about murderers, a man after God's own heart? Does that mean murderers go to heaven or David won't be in heaven?

Thankfully, there is forgiveness for even the worst of sins. David repented. He did not continue being a murderer.

But if polygamy is adultery, those polygamists in the lists were adulterers to their dying days, without ever having repented of its "evil." Therein lies a fundamental difference.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Green Cochoa] #133983
06/01/11 09:03 PM
06/01/11 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: JAK
I also challenge the "What is right is always right, and what's wrong is always wrong" fallacy. Judah's sons were put to death (by God) for not sleeping with their brother's wife. I'm fairly certain God does not want ME sleeping with my brother's wife (in the same situation.)

He was put to death because he didn't want to "give an heir to his brother" (Gen. 38:9). He wished to have the inheritance of his brother. Obviously he thought only of the material inheritance. His god was mammon. His death has nothing to do with the levirate marriage, which he could have refused, if he so wished.
About the levirate marriage, it's my conviction that only a bachelor brother could marry the widow of the deceased brother.

Re: The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Rosangela] #133987
06/01/11 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Originally Posted By: JAK
I also challenge the "What is right is always right, and what's wrong is always wrong" fallacy. Judah's sons were put to death (by God) for not sleeping with their brother's wife. I'm fairly certain God does not want ME sleeping with my brother's wife (in the same situation.)

He was put to death because he didn't want to "give an heir to his brother" (Gen. 38:9). He wished to have the inheritance of his brother. Obviously he thought only of the material inheritance. His god was mammon. His death has nothing to do with the levirate marriage, which he could have refused, if he so wished.
About the levirate marriage, it's my conviction that only a bachelor brother could marry the widow of the deceased brother.


That would appear inconsistent with the Biblical system, Rosangela, to presume that only a bachelor brother would be involved. First of all, the inheritance would have meant little to the brother in this case if he had had no sons already to inherit it. There was nothing for him to inherit himself, as the portion belonging to his deceased brother would have stayed with his widow. It would only be redivided upon her death, and could then be divvied out to the next generation (via his own property distribution). For him to inherit it would have been meaningless if it could not have been passed to his children (i.e. if he had no children to inherit it). Property always stayed in the family, but if there was no one left in the family to inherit it, it would go further up the tree, to the parents, tribe and/or nearest of kin.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Green Cochoa] #133988
06/01/11 10:55 PM
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Rosangela, what about those "adulterers" who made faith's hall of fame?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Green Cochoa] #134005
06/02/11 01:13 AM
06/02/11 01:13 AM
Rosangela  Offline OP
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That would appear inconsistent with the Biblical system, Rosangela, to presume that only a bachelor brother would be involved. First of all, the inheritance would have meant little to the brother in this case if he had had no sons already to inherit it. There was nothing for him to inherit himself, as the portion belonging to his deceased brother would have stayed with his widow. It would only be redivided upon her death, and could then be divvied out to the next generation (via his own property distribution). For him to inherit it would have been meaningless if it could not have been passed to his children (i.e. if he had no children to inherit it). Property always stayed in the family, but if there was no one left in the family to inherit it, it would go further up the tree, to the parents, tribe and/or nearest of kin.

tsk, tsk...
GC, a woman would only inherited something from her father (not from her father-in-law), and only if she had no husband, and only in special cases and after all the men in the family had already received their share.
Onan's brother was the firstborn. Since he died, Onan would inherit the double share - but ONLY if his brother had left no heir. If he had had a son with the widow, the child would have been considered an heir of the deceased brother, and the double share would go to the child.
If he didn't give a child to the widow, the inheritance would go to him. After his father died and he had already got the inheritance, he could have a child of his own.
Last but not least, he could have opted for not marrying the widow, but by marrying her he would prevent his other brother from marrying her and giving her an heir.

Re: The Bible and Polygamy [Re: Green Cochoa] #134006
06/02/11 01:19 AM
06/02/11 01:19 AM
Rosangela  Offline OP
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Rosangela, what about those "adulterers" who made faith's hall of fame?

GC, I've already answered your question. The Bible is clear that "the times of ignorance God overlooked." That's the only reason why they were saved. The problem is, some of them not only had more than one wife, but they had concubines, too. Do you consider concubinage OK, too?

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