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Re: The Bible and Polygamy
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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06/02/11 03:52 PM
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No, you've committed adultery. And the person who comitted adultery cannot keep both "wives." Or do you think he can?
I can name examples of harlots who became wives and were kept. I think you could too, if you tried. If you think an adulterous person can keep both relationships, and that God agrees with that, I'll leave it at that. No amount of biblical argumentation will persuade you. Therefore, we will agree to disagree.
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Re: The Bible and Polygamy
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06/02/11 03:54 PM
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To my understanding, he get's nothing. All would go to the child who would carry his brother's name. Like GC said, if he wants his own children, he can have all the children he wants with another wife. Elle, You and GC are trying to apply modern thinking to an ancient culture. Then I invite you to share the texts from scripture that support your position. So far, all we have is your own opinion/interpretation. Where is the text telling us that if the widow he marries does not have children right away, those children can later be called by his own name in place of his brother's? Rosangela, you have no text for this because there is none. That was never the law, despite your wishes to see it that way. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Bible and Polygamy
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06/02/11 03:59 PM
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Then I invite you to share the texts from scripture that support your position. So far, all we have is your own opinion/interpretation. Where is the text telling us that if the widow he marries does not have children right away, those children can later be called by his own name in place of his brother's?
Rosangela, you have no text for this because there is none. That was never the law, despite your wishes to see it that way. The first child would still be his brother's, but that child would not inherit the birthright, since the birthright now belonged to him and to his descendants. This is obvious. All you have is also your own opinion. Again, we will agree to disagree.
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Re: The Bible and Polygamy
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06/02/11 04:01 PM
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Rosangela,
It is not obvious to me. Where do you find that? Text please?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Bible and Polygamy
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06/03/11 02:15 PM
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GC, you have said what you think isn't adultery, but I don't see what you define as adultery. If you say someone can have a wife, and then get another wife, and so on, and not be committing adultery, what, if anything, do you define as adultery?
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Re: The Bible and Polygamy
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06/03/11 04:02 PM
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kland, I have said what I think adultery is, but it was in the other thread, and unfortunately was not copied to this one. Here is the link to the post. However, to reiterate it clearly, adultery is sleeping with someone else's spouse. It is the marital form of stealing. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Bible and Polygamy
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06/03/11 07:15 PM
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I have said what I think adultery is, but it was in the other thread, and unfortunately was not copied to this one. Here is the link to the post. However, to reiterate it clearly, adultery is sleeping with someone else's spouse. It is the marital form of stealing. Yes, that post was one of the main ones I based my question on. So, would you agree that the other spouse is committing adultery with the first one since they are the married one? And if you lead someone else into sin, they would be sinning, too? If you didn't follow that, if one of two people are married to someone else, then one of them is committing adultery.
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Re: The Bible and Polygamy
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06/03/11 11:32 PM
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I'm not sure I follow your first part, but I think I understand your question in the second, kland. I guess I would have to say that it is possible that one of them in an illicit relationship might be committing adultery, and the other not--IF (and only if) the other one truly did not know that the first one was already married. It does happen. But in most cases, both parties would be party to the "adultery." (And again, God is the best judge of such circumstances.)
(And if that wasn't your question, please clarify it for me.)
Blessings,
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We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: The Bible and Polygamy
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06/04/11 01:23 AM
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Adultery is definitely a married person having sexual relations with someone other than their spouse. Two unmarried people having sexual relations is fornication. The punishment for adultery was death, whereas the punishment for fornication was marriage (see passage below). Deuteronomy
22:28 If a man find a damsel [that is] a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty [shekels] of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. This passage is referring to consensual sexual relations, not rape, because the punishment for rape was death not marriage. Polygamy does not involve adultery because it involves marriage. Nevertheless, God intended for couples to be monogamous.
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Re: The Bible and Polygamy
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06/04/11 02:31 AM
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As I understand it, adultery is more specific, and includes just one category of "fornication." "Fornication" involves any sexual sin, to include adultery, premarital relations, homosexuality, auto-eroticism (in the Bible this is what I understand to be covered by the phrase "youthful lusts"), bestiality, etc. It would almost certainly have included such things as today's pornography. The Greek word for it is "porneia." The following site seems to concur with what I've always understood to be the Biblical usage: http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/fornication.htmlBlessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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