This information is readily available online. I studied it in the Bible in the past so I know the mechanics, but if you have a need to know you will have to do the leg work yourself.

Here is some online info that might help you get started

"Ancient kingdoms had different ways of recording reignal years of their kings. The Assyrians and Babylonians credited the entire year when a king died to his reign, even if he died in the beginning of the year and his successor ruled 11 months of that year. That first year for the new Assyrian king would be designated his "ascension year" and the new king's "year 1" did not begin until the first day of the following year. Historians call this method the "accession year" system or the "post-dating" system.

However, in Egypt the newly crowned Pharaoh recorded the actual year he came to the throne as "year 1" of his reign even though it was a partial year. This system of dating a reign is called the "non-accession-year" system, or "ante-dating." The kings of the Northern Kingdom of Israel adopted the Egyptian system of dating a king's reign. Jeroboam I was the first king of the divided Northern Kingdom of Israel. He was a prince of the tribe of Ephraim and a descendant of Joseph son of Jacob/Israel and Joseph's Egyptian wife Asenath. When King Solomon exiled Jeroboam, the refugee Ephraimite prince sought refuge in Egypt, so it is understandable that the Egyptian system is the one adopted by the Northern Kingdom's first king. The Kingdom of Judah, on the other hand, adopted the Assyrian system of only counting the first full year of a king's reign as "year 1". Therefore, the two year difference between the Assyrian annals and the Israelite kings Ahab and Jehu are really just one full year plus part of a year that was counted as the predecessor's year. The 12 years of Joram were 11 full years plus the months from his predecessor's death and so the Biblical account is not in error. By the Israelite system of counting reigns Ahaziah and Joram ruled for 14 years, but according to the Assyrian system, which only counted the full years of a reign, they ruled for 12 years just as Shalmaneser's Assyrian annals record."
http://www.agapebiblestudy.com/documents/Dating%20the%20Reigns%20of%20the%20%20Kings%20of%20Judah%20and%20Kings%20of%20Israel.htm

The reason John-Paul II is most appropriate for the 8th king is related to the two last errors:



John-Paul II declared that Sunday was God's Sabbath on 31 May 1998 and his body was just exhumed on 1 May 2011 to finalize his sainthood. So he is the ideal pope for Satan to personate as the 8th which is of the 7 to bring about the two great errors. J-P II can claim that God told him to change Sabbath to Sunday when he was alive and since his body is in its tomb and he is present there must be an eternal soul. Thus those that go by sight rather than by faith in the word of God will be deceived.






My answer has been posted twice to that already.

That’s all good information His child, I have not thoroughly checked to see if what that author states is all in harmony with Thiele’s work which he cites as Suggested Reading, however my pointed question is not answered there. That is namely your “overshadowing” claim. Form what I see and understand, if a king ended his reign in “mid-year”, whether calendrical or chronological, he may have been credited with a full year however, that was merely quantitative and not, as your claim involves, qualitative. The newly ruling king would receive any of these “qualitative”, and also quantitative credits for things that occurred since he took the throne or office.

You also need to explain the justification of using those ancient methods for the reckonging of American Presidents, and that in 2011+. What’s the justifies this retro-reckoning method?? It further makes no logical sense as the book of Revelation was given in Roman times. So at best the Roman System which was straightforward from date of actual transition would have been involved there.

There is also the general question of what system, method and/or calender was the actual author, either Daniel, the post-exilic composer of Daniel and/or John the Revelator, even God Himself, the prophecy giver had in mind. All this to point out that your claim, barring the substantiation of your claims, seems rather fancifully arbitrary to me, i.e, whatever corroborates your final conclusion.

By the way, in regards to Mountain Man’s questions about admitting wrong, you do realize, if you are truly honest with yourself and your claim of Biblical soundness, that, just like claims of time reckonings, (which is indeed synonymous with your naming of specific official individual who are working within parameters of set times, as with American presidents), it’s all or nothing! I.e., you cannot later make the same claim with another pope or the next American president. It also seems wise to me that God’s prophecies do not pinpoint individuals but offices in general, irrespective of who is occupying them, and when events of the ground will have developed to fulfill a prophecy, it will indeed be fulfill, and that, also in that general way. The work against God is greater than any individual, which is why the 7 heads in Rev 17 are representative of specific world ‘thinkings/mentalities which oppose God’s cause of Truth’ and not individuals.

The earliest copyright of the book was 1888. Could someone explain what part of Daniel must shortly come to past after 1888 if it isn't chapter 12, the one she said we should all be studying?

You wrote, "we should know by 1 Jan 2014 (probably sooner) and I would be the first to admit I was wrong". If President Obama is reelected does that mean the latest possible day Jesus will return would be 1 Jan 2018?

I'm just trying to determine the parameters of your interpretation of prophecy. It's an unavoidable aspect of these types of interpretations, that is, interpretations that hard tie the return of Jesus to the tenure of specific world leaders creates a time table within which Jesus must return.

In every prophecy in the book of Daniel there is a final portion that was, (in EGW’s time), and mostly still is, yet to be fulfilled. I understand here that EGW had those portions in mind. And in regards to Dan 12, my understanding is also that she pointedly similarly had not yet fulfilled statements and also a possible refulfillement of some statements but without involving literal time.

The application of EGW’s statement is of course is readily seen for the book of Revelation, but it could be also pointed out that in terms of the already fulfilled series of 7 (I.e., Seals & Trumpets), EGW understood that ca. 6 of them were already fulfilled (actually 5.5 for the Seals (Rev 6:14ff+Interlude (Rev 7)). Only the seventh portion had to be fulfilled. The same ‘partial and ongoing’ is actually seen in her understanding of the prophecy of Dan 11 as she believed that vss. 40-45 was soon to be fulfilled in her time (e.g, 9T 14.2).

(By the way, to be techincally accurate here, the Great Controversy Book was first published (thus publically released and also thus automatically copyrighted) in 1858 (= 1SG), then republished in 1884 (= 4SP); (then 1888 and 1911). The EGW GC 521.3 statement had been made in the 1884 version in 4SP 344.2.)

You ask me to be a prophet. I follow the prophecies but do not know more than they reveal.

Daniel 2 reveals the events that relate to king Nebuchadnezzar's dynasty, 4 great world empires, the degeneration of religion within these kingdoms, and in light of Daniel 7:17 the metals, which are also symbolized by the lion, bear, leopard and the non-describable beast clearly relate to 4 kings which shall arise from the earth. They are Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and the last one is Bush II and Obama.

Though I understood the last one as pagan Rome and papal Rome, I did not understand Bush II and Obama as two being one until after Bush II left office. "By their fulfillment Daniel and Revelation will explain themselves."

Then I understood Revelation 13. The first beast is the post-1929 papacy. John-Paul II is the wounded head that was healed. The ten horns on the post-1929 papal beast are the 10 American Presidents from Truman to Clinton. The beast with the lamblike horns is America. The two horns on it are Bush II and Obama.

Bush II is the "endtime Prince of the Covenant." He was put in office by apostate protestantism on the very day specified in prophecy. He set up the abomination that makes desolate in the midst of the week as prophesied. And John-Paul II (the pope that was to continue 42-months) died 1290-days after the abomination was set up. And Bush II reached his hand across the gulf to the Roman power, Spiritualism, and to the Roman power again. The blessing of the 1335-days is a blessing to those that know these things to be true. It is not a blessing to those that do not look at the facts and prayerfully consider
the word of God.

"All that God has said in prophecy that applied to the past has been fulfilled in the past and that which applies to the future will be fulfilled in the future."

The apostle John states that there are many antichrists. "Those that don't know the identity of the [American] Antichrist in the endtime will be deceived by him."

How can the watchman give the right warning at the right time if he does not know the Present Truth for the hour? The false shepherd will defame the true and cry peace and safety when sudden destruction is about to overtake the people.


I did not write the prophecy or the Bible. I am old, but not that old. When I should be studying and sharing the truth, I am out in the field (sometimes up to 10 hours a day at 90 plus degrees) baling hay and stacking wood from a saw mill. I have always had an indoor job and mostly a desk job. So now that I am over 60 I am having an opportunity to get some exercise to make ends meet. But I am in better shape than my elderly wife that should be getting out of the nursing home in a few days now that her therapy is finished (again).

I thank God for the exercise that I skimped on when I was younger. But I have written 6-books on Daniel (over 1000-pages) and still I get asked the same questions when the information is already documented.

My dilemma is how to work in the field, study, write, and keep up with the correspondences, and get the word out to those that are yet unreached. The Lord has blessed with an invitation to speak to a small group in a few weeks, and doors are beginning to open.

Invest in one of my books. read it. And if there is an error or if something is not clear ask away. Share the truth. And if you find an error, tell me about it and I will correct it.
But we are at the end of time. And though time is not to be the issue, we need to understand the time in which we live.

"Echoes of Doomsday" is up to date.
http://stores.lulu.com/DanielsRevelation
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and read the preview it will be a blessing

The loud cry is sounding. And soon everybody will know the truth, but it will be too late to do most folks any good.

Daniel was sealed until the time of the end 1798.
The kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and (pagan and papal) Rome were all understood before the time of the end began in 1798. So everything relating to the kingdoms applies to the prophecy before it was unsealed, (un) shut-up and (un) closed-up.

Thus there is a meaning that is to be revealed after 1798 to these prophecies that we historically assume to understand.

Daniel 11 begins with the three kings in Persia that decreed the restitution of Jerusalem and the temple (Cyrus, Darius, & Artaxerxes) and the 4th which was the last king of Persia who went to war with Alexander the Great. Then Daniel 11 gives the 2300-year prophecy from the 3 kings all the way through 1844 when Jesus stood for His people when the Investigative Judgment began Daniel 12:1.

Revelation 10 explains that after the 1844 disappointment the little book of Daniel is to "prophecy again" but the time element in Daniel 11 is removed "time shall be no longer."

Daniel 12:1 (1844) thus loops around to Daniel 11:6 and the prophecy and history repeats through the second Advent of Christ 12:1.

11:31 was fulfilled 9/20/01
11:41 was fulfilled last April and events are still transpiring

The sequence between 11:31-41 are not chronological in the endtime. Since the prophecy explains and blends events prior to 1844 with those of 2011, it had to be written in such a way to be understood by both generations as the understanding was needed. The things in this section of Daniel 11 are happening concurrently.

My book "Put-Out The Light" is the most up-to-date commentary of Daniel available, but it was written before the Arab Spring so it is in need of some updating to include current events.

it is available at
http://stores.lulu.com/DanielsRevelation
Sometimes the link is slow
but if you google the link it brings up a faster link

I have been doing correspondences this morning since 3 AM and need to be to work soon so I hope this helps.

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Thanks
His child

HC, you say you'll correct your errors if your interpretations prove false. Is that the way we're to interprete prophecy? Aren't we to test our ideas first on men and women of experience before we run with a message? Before publishing hundreds of pages of your views, how well were they tested?