I did an informal survey with several people I know and asked the following questions:

1. Would you be in favor of a law that forces rape victims to marry their rapists?

Answer: absolutely not.

2. Do you think Jesus would be in favor of such a law?

Answer: absolutely not.

3. Does it sound like Deut 22:28-29 requires rape victims to marry their rapists?

Answer: yes.

4. Does the KJV mistranslate certain passages?

Answer: yes.

5. Is it possible the KJV fails to accurately reflect the original meaning of Deut 22:28-29?

Answer: most likely.

Your informal survey proves absolutely nothing about what the Biblical truth is for Deut 22:28-29. Truth is not determined by surveys.



God did not, nor does not, formulate laws according to what people will be in favor of.’



Just, exegetically, ask Jesus himself.... Some people think Jesus was in favor of homosexuality.



Only when non-exegetically read, i.e., out of its greater, law unfolding context there.



While true, at a very high rate, that says nothing about Deut 22:28-29. In the KJV translates some passages just a well or even better than other Bible translations/versions.



Exegetically prove it. That is the only valid proof that will make a conclusive difference here.

If initial impression and personal opinion means absolutely nothing why, then, does it play such an important role in the process of conversion? The reason I initially showed an interest in Jesus was because of the godly example of my uncle. I was impressed with him as person and in my opinion I felt good about Christianity.

Because that is not at all the issue or circumstance that I was addressing. I said ‘surveys do not beginning to determine what a Biblical truth should be’. The foundation of such a view is always some degree of exegesis. So you would instead need to first ascertain which Bible version, if any, has the most exegetically accurate translation of that passage. The “popular survey” aspect of this would only have a place after all exegesis has done and it is then being “voted” upon to see who will accept that independent determined and ascertain truth.

In regards to conversion, I’ll take the more general example of Jesus... The living world today can look at Him and perfect life and either decide to follow him or reject him for whatever personal reason/opinion they can come up with. Indeed He is (mostly) rejected, even, effectively, by professed/nominal “believers”, because He is “too good” and thus “no fun”. Or worse, they first popularly decide how he should be, according to their subjective views, and then they are willing to “follow” “him”.

NJK, your comments and responses discourage me from wanting to participate on these forums. Perhaps its time for me to withdraw my membership?

Whatever it takes for you to avoid proving your opinion/views and being Biblical!! Prov 16:18 (cf. 11:2) is the Spiritual diagnosis of your actual, and self-manufactured, problem here!

NJK,

What is the real problem here? What is more important? Proving an opinion or love for one's neighbor? What is the worth of the soul?

"As you have done it to one of the least of these...."

Jesus did not spend much time arguing with the spiritual leaders of His day. We are not to do so either.

There is a dramatic difference between argumentation and fellowship. This forum exists for the latter.

With that in mind, let us get back to the topic here.


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

NJK, okay, you win. I'm outta here. It's not so much your theology that is driving me away - in particular, it's your cruel and bitter spirit. This situation reminds of the bully in the sandbox. Now that you've driven everyone away - you can have the sandbox all to yourself.

Hi Mike, I bailed out for similar reasons several weeks ago.

My impression is that the Maritime forums are foundering, and one of the big reasons is because false teachers and fanatics are being catered to.

The other day I ran across an interesting quote, that directly pertains to this situation:


There are all sorts of Bible and EGW statements about not interacting with false teachers and so on, and if we ignore such statements, we're going to get ourselves into ever deeper trouble as the end approaches.

Seems to me that you can have both Fellowship and Truth. If people just want to spout of their personal views and cannot back up what they say with properly applied Bible and SOP statement, if any, then what’s the use of having a discussion to try to determine what is the Truth on an issue.

I really don’t see what is so “vexing” about asking someone to Biblically substantiate what they are claiming to be Truth.

And if you all begin to be swayed by Mountain Man’s pouting and pity party then you all are just, to say the very least, as (Spiritually) childish as he is.

And don’t eisegetically and subjectively cheapen Christ word in Matt 25:45, and make the word of God of no effect. Seek instead to help those in need who are actually spoken of in that passage, and that includes aborted infants.