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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
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09/12/04 05:08 PM
09/12/04 05:08 PM
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In fact if you look at the question in which I gave a response to Question (b) Cedric stated "someone" that someone did not specifically refer, nor infer, nor imply a human being, so satan is someone.
God Bless,
WIll
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
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09/12/04 07:30 PM
09/12/04 07:30 PM
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The pronoun "someone" does not require an antecedent and definitely implies a human. The "average joe" reading that statement would not include spiritual or satanic beings in his or her understanding of what what being refered to. Postings must be read at face value without fanciful interpretations, otherwise no meaningful dialogue can occur.
I therefore must reject the "satan and his angels" interpretation and stick to reality.
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
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09/13/04 01:00 AM
09/13/04 01:00 AM
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Someone has a dictionary handy ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif) Howver I would like to use the same measuring rod, and ask that you Cedric please use words that we can all understand as I myself am slow. I am sure you would not object. You said: quote:
people are not angles
Thats right.. people are influenced by satanic agencies though which shape their thoughts, and actions. What do you think?
Thanks,
Will
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
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09/13/04 02:16 AM
09/13/04 02:16 AM
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Yes, someone does have a dictionary handy, well worn I might add. Notwithstanding, it seems I use it less frequently than certain others
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
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09/13/04 02:54 AM
09/13/04 02:54 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by <Cedric>:
John, when you use the term "Adventism", what, specifically, are you refering to? Do you mean the Adventist doctrines, the people who make up the church, the Adventist sub-culture, the world-wide organization, or some other aspect of Adventism?
Cedric, when speaking of Adventism giving the most accurate picture of Jesus available on earth today, I mean the body of Seventh-day Adventist literature, doctrines, beliefs. The Bible, our understanding of the Bible, and the amplifications given in the prophetically-inspired writings of Ellen G. White.
I would say that on the human side some SDAs give a great representation of Jesus, while some don't. Just like any other church, there are wheat and tares growing together. Some aren't truly converted, who make a profession of faith but don't have corresponding works in the life. In fact, we're told by EGW that the great proportion of those who now appear to be true SDAs will fall away when the time of trouble comes, and their places will be taken by those who come in from out of the Babylon churches, as the result of heeding the fourth angel's warning of Revelation 18.
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
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09/13/04 03:58 AM
09/13/04 03:58 AM
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Cedric do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God?
God Bless,
Will
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
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09/14/04 12:27 AM
09/14/04 12:27 AM
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John, I'm not ignoring your post, just thinking about it. Of course, it expresses your belief, which by nature cannot be argued against. You may guess by now that I do not completely agree with that statement. (re: SDA church expressing Christ's image most perfectly) Nor do I completely disagree with it.
It contains too many nuances of meaning vs. understanding to accept it carte blanc.
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
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09/16/04 05:01 PM
09/16/04 05:01 PM
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I'd like to post a reply regarding the meaning of the name "Jesus/Yashua":
It means Jehovah Saves. Why didn't Gabriel, in giving instructions to Mary on naming Him, say, "Jehovah will use him to save His people?" Instead, he said, "He will save His people from their sins."
It seems to me the "He (Jesus/Jehovah Saves)" and "Jehovah (who will save His people from their sins as the name 'Jesus' implies)" must be that same personage.
Also, about Michael. Gabriel identifies him as our Prince in Daniel chapter 10. Now, who is our Prince? Doesn't the Bible say that David would be our Prince for ever? Didn't Gabriel say the Jesus would be given the throne of His father David? If Michael is not Christ, our Prince, then just where in the Bible is it mentioned that God's subordinate angels took the place of those in the Royal Line of David?
Dave
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Re: Some Beliefs of the Jehovah's Witness Church
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08/20/11 12:27 AM
08/20/11 12:27 AM
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As I want to get back into this topic again I am bumping it for now.
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