Yes, there are other reasons. The reasons stem from a way of viewing the world. Change the world view and you change the reasons. Presto! You have Sabbath observance. Unfortunately, most Sunday keepers (like most Sabbath keepers) don't know the reasons for what they do.

When JPII appeals to tradition in his Dies Domini he is basing this appeal on a universally (read "Catholic") accepted authority--that of the power of the Apostles to make decisions in the church. (Which finds its ultimate form in the doctrine of the Infallibility of the Pope.) Protestants rejected this authority at the Reformation, but for Catholics it is still valid. In other words, Catholics have two authorities: Scripture, and Apostolic Authority.

Sundaykeepers' reasons indeed must stem from their way of viewing the world, or from some other source, since they can't justify their belief through the Bible.

Not surprisingly, you missed the point. They don't need to justify their belief from the Bible, because Apostolic Authority is an equally valid authority. Therefore, "It's not in the Bible." is an invalid arguement.

You are speaking about Catholics. I'm more concerned about Protestants. Their arguments basically are the same, although they don't profess to accept tradition. This is a contradiction.

Basically the rational for Sunday comes from a disregard of the Old Testament as a source of doctrine.
The New Covenant supposedly comes with a new outline of "law" built more on love. Only the commandments expressly mentioned by the apostles continue into the new covenant.
Since Paul mentions in several places that "days" are apparently not important (Col. 2:16, Gal. 4:10, Romans 14:6)therefore the Sabbath day isn't important.

They then will say Jesus set a new day by example which is now the Christian day for assembly. Since Jesus rose on Sunday, met with the disciples on several Sundays, sent the Holy Spirit on Sunday...

The Jewish Sabbath, they often say, was a type of the rest to come in Christ. Therefore it was a shadow, just like all the other ceremonial laws. They will point to Lev. 23 where the Sabbath is listed along with the Jewish festivals, and to Hebrews 3.

They will then quote the VERY FEW remaining documents that have been known to be "doctored" over the ages, written by "the fathers" to prove that Christians from the earliest years were already meeting on Sunday not Saturday.
However, it has been proven over and over that everything from wrong dates ascribed to those documents, misquoting, and additions were needed to make those documents say what is now the accepted understanding of what they say. It is also ignoring the fact that the Catholic Church was very industrious in obliterating writings that didn't agree with her version of things.

Pressed further they will say Adventists don't know what they are talking about when they say Christians adopted the pagan Sunday as the Romans didn't even have a seven day week in the first century, so they couldn't have been keeping a pagan holiday every sunday.

So yes, they have dug themselves a pretty impressive wall against God's fourth commandment.

The argument which says that "days" are not important contradicts the one which says that Christ set a new day. They are saying, on one hand, that all days are equal and no day is important, and, on the other hand, that there is one day more important than the others - the first day of the week, the day of Christ's resurrection, "the Lord's day."
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Agree -- there are many contradictions in the arguments against God's Holy Sabbath Day.

We also need to remember the arguments come from people who are not always agreed on every point. Many do not think of Sunday as another Sabbath, but simply as a good day to "assemble together" and worship the Lord.
On the other hand we have the Puritan concept that indeed the full solemnity of the Sabbath now rests on the first day of the week.

The fact is that those who argue that it really makes no difference on which day people assemble for worship and deny that Sunday is a new Sabbath, still, BY DEFAULT will accept Sunday.
That's the snare some Adventists are falling into. Accepting the "the actual day isn't important, just don't forsake assembling together with believers" argument -- will, when the crises comes, shift to Sunday.


Actually I think Col. 2:16 is a wonderful text for Sabbath keepers because it does NOT say anything about sabbaths being abolished -- it says LET NO MAN JUDGE you concerning... The chapter is speaking of man made commandments and traditions, not God's commands.(see Col. 2:8,22) When the Sunday crises comes that text will be in our favor, not against us, even though people try to use it against us now.

Another glaring contradiction I see, is saying the ten commandments were nailed to the cross, thus they are no longer binding on Christians but then we see them all coming together for TEN COMMANDMENT DAY, and lobbying to have the commandments posted in schools, courtrooms and other public places.

Can anyone answer the last objection in my first post. I'd be grateful for any historical back up.

The objection that the pagans (Romans) didn't even have a seven day week so how could Christians have adopted a pagan sunday.

I think we have been looking too hard into paganism to explain the Sunday observance, when all along the 8th Day observance was in the Law of Moses and already kept by Judaism aside with the 7th day Sabbath.

Early Christianity had recently experience two major events that happened on the 8th Day(Sunday) the ressurection of Christ(the waving of firstfruit) and the Pentecost(two loaves with leavened) who received only a deposit of the Spirit of God. Both these events are ANTITYPES of the Laws concerning the 8th Day.

The fall Feast of Tabernacle is currently another major event that points to the 8th Day. The Jubilee is the crown of all the 8th Day Observance type of Law. Pentecost is based on the Jubiliee with its 7 weeks of sabbaths = 49 days of counting the omers until the 50th. So the Jubillee Type was in (i)days for Pentecost, (ii) years when they entered the promise land(Kingdom of God), (iii) milleniums in the restitution of all things.

Please note that the 8th Day observance is based on the 7th Day observance.

“The 8th day ceremonies has nothing to do about replacing the Sabbath. These are about Sonship, and are about the sons of God beginning their work in service to God and fellow man.”

I think JAK brought up a very important point. The SDAs, Protestants, and Catholics do not understand the origins of the Sunday Keeping in the early church; nor why Jesus’ ressurection and the Pentecost where fulfilled on the 8th Day. I think this lack of knowledge crept in very early in the early church and that’s possibly why the 8th Day observance got transpose by some into a day of worship instead of understanding that it was a ceremony/fulfillment of sonship and of beginning of service.

Although this thread deals with the origin of Sunday observance, I'm not convinced that it's all that important. More important, in my mind, are the current reasons for doing something, in this case worshiping on Sunday. It does not really matter how it started.