Nonsense.

Setting false times and dates does that very thing.

But studying the Word of God to show yourself approved of God and to understand those things that He put in His word for His people weeds out the faithful from the wantabee.

In Christ's day the same feeble argument that you suggest here kept the people from accepting Jesus as the Savior and Satan is using "God's people" to cast their shadow over truth now by the same means.


That was true in the initial application. But the book of Daniel was sealed until the time of the end. And the world empires were understood in the 2nd century AD, which was 1500-years B 4 the time of the end (1798) when Daniel was unsealed and opened. So to suggest that the understanding that was not closed-up, shut-up, and sealed B 4 the time of the end of kingdoms that do not exist in the time of the end and that it is the interpretation that is the one that applies to the time of the end is foolishness.

Daniel 7:17 clearly states KINGS from the earth. the word for KINGS is kings 2800 times in Scripture and NEVER kingdoms. So to take heaven's interpretation and explain it away is to put a private interpretation in place of Scripture. And in Daniel 7, the 4 beasts that he saw were from the SEA, but HEAVEN'S interpreter states that the interpretation that is given is applicable to the earth-beasts. Heaven is not confused. Earth and Sea are different. And since Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 use the same symbolism, lion, bear, leopard, sea, and earth: it is a gross misapplication of the prophetic symbolism to make the earth and the sea be the same thing in Daniel 7 and different things in Revelation 13.





You are welcome to keep your belief, but it is not consistent with the evidence presented. Unless you have prayerfully, earnestly studied the evidence with more than a superficial glance: it comes down to your opinion verses Present Truth. Private interpretations are quite unreliable when it comes to life altering Bible study.


Worship is the issue, but worship is based on trust, belief, and obedience. Since the word of God states the many things that I have identified; if an individual refuses to believe Present Truth, does not trust the word sufficiently to search out things that are of eternal consequences, that person will not obey the word when it cuts across their personal opinions that they have accepted as being of more value than a sure thus saith the Lord.



These are flattering words. We accept generalities, but don't bother us with the specifics.



As I read your closing statement, it shows a total lack of understanding of what I have set forth in previous posts.
When the Bible and spirit of Prophecy declare that history will be repeated, the prophecy that foretells the history is repeated. History and prophecy are not divorced one from another.

It is so true that many are called, but few are chosen. When Christ Comes the Virgins that slept too long will see that they relied on sight and did not depend on the Holy Spirit to guide them into all truth.
Christian Regards

Sister U,

Perhaps you would share some evidence to validate your accusation. But please keep it in context. In the past my words have been edited so that my posts ended up saying things that I did not say and when I would post a clarification to correct the corruption, conveniently the moderator(s) would fail to allow the post. Perhaps "God's servants" have cast their shadow over Present Truth and kept it from those that they deemed to feeble minded to view the facts and study them for themselves?

But of course making honest mistakes in Bible interpretation puts me in good company:

William Miller said Christ would come in 1843.
Christ did not come in 1843.

William Miller said Christ would come in 1844.
Christ did not come in 1844.

And like Wm Miller, I was close to having all the truth before the fact and able to study to understand more as prophecy and history continued to merge because God is merciful and He has a message that He is going to get out at the APPOINTED TIME in spite of "His Servants" that would cast their long shadows over it!

Mountain Man,

I am human and I am not all-knowing.

But to use my humanity, frailness, and lack of knowledge as an excuse to remain in darkness when light is shining about you won't cut it.



You have access to what I have shared. Confirm it or disprove it. Truth will withstand scrutiny. Error will be seen for what it is. But to discount it or reject it because it does not fit into you scheme of things is to your peril.



The dilemma is as it was in the days of Noah: rightly receiving the message and getting into the ark of safety or choosing to stay outside. It is as it was in Jeremiah's day: 2 men with different messages - one was of God and the other was not. Who to believe?

From your posts and your tone, it appears that you have made up your mind and are simply trying to justify your decision.

But as for me; I will follow the word of God as I understand it and continue watching, waiting, praying, and studying and if that means growing from light unto light so be it. But I won't assume that light that God has given in the past is all sufficient and that it will not yield to more light as the Day of the Lord nears.

That is a judgmental phrasing "your current revision of prophecy."

I don't know how many. I have given numerous talks, books, e-books, 1 on 1 chats and it is a split house. But there are those who are circulating my material, and people are coming up to me out of the blue all the time praising God that they have found this light. The numbers are growing.

And since God knows who needs the message and how His word is to go forth so that it does not return to Him void, I am confident that it will do what He sends it to do for those who have an ear and hear the wee small voice.
I am frequently encountering SDA ministers, elders, and deacons that are praising God for the study.



When the Holy Spirit is poured out in the latter rain, this will be fulfilled. The fulfillment of Daniel and Revelation as seen in our day will coincide with the Loud Cry against the Mark of the Beast.

Br. H.
I have read many of your posts for many years on more than one forum.
Remember Clinton and Gore and how you had Daniel 11 outlining their lives. Clinton was supposed to "fall" and Gore was to take over. That was back about 1995.
I haven't kept track of all the details, just seen enough of the strong declarations that whatever you saw in scripture and your connecting it to the local news was "present truth" essential for salvation, only to have it revamped as the local news didn't line up with the predictions.

I have no problems with looking at local news and seeing things shaping up, with the thought that yes MAYBE this will bring the end very, very soon.

But constantly re-organizing prophecy to fit current news and each time coming with absolute positiveness that THIS TIME it is absolutely right, just isn't the way to go.
Not only does it cause people to stop taking prophecy seriously, it also destroys the SURE WORD OF PROPHECY that is the very foundation of our belief system as Seventh-day Adventists.

We should take James White more seriously.
U. Smith was following a path similar to yours during the Russian/Turkish wars in 1877, using the then current news to interpret prophecy.

James White wrote:

"Positions taken upon the Eastern question
are based upon prophecies which have not yet
their fulfillment. Here we should tread lightly,
and take positions carefully, lest we be found
removing the landmarks fully established in the
advent movement....
But what
will be the result of this positiveness in unfulfilled
prophecies should things not come out as
very confidently expected, is an anxious question.
Wars, pestilences, famines, and earthquakes
are not the surest signs of the end. These have
ever existed. We may have war, then peace,
pestilence, then health, famine, then plenty,
earthquakes, then the bowels of the earth may
be quiet ; but the message of the third angel is
given but once. The progress of this work in
fulfillment of prophecy is the highest and brightest
light now shining in the religious heavens.

Those looking at the Eastern question will probably
be disappointed ; but we may bear our
whole weight upon the last message without
fear of disappointment....." (Review and Herald November 29, 1877 p172)

James White was right -- U. Smith's predictions failed.

While your predictions are different, the principle of James White's message still applies today.

Those looking at your predictins will probably
be disappointed ; but we may bear our
whole weight upon the last message (the third angel's message) without
fear of disappointment....."

Sister U,

Communication is an art that is not mastered rapidly by all.

When studying Bible prophecy, it is possible to correctly align history and prophecy as far as they go.

The example that you cite is one of my following prophecy as far as it could be followed at the time and wondering aloud if it will turn this way or that. And giving reasonable insights as to why it could go this way or that based on the meaning of texts that had not then fulfilled.

At the time, I repeatedly asked for feedback and got very little from you as I recall. And as things unfolded, and history fulfilled prophecy, my understanding was able to mature and keep abreast with prophecy and history.

Unfortunately, your decision was not only one of withholding feedback, but also one of not keeping up with the prophecy. And then to obstruct any light that did not fit your stationary understanding.

Thus when I understood the Spirit of Prophecy statement:



I was able to wonder aloud as to what to expect (less) and watch how the prophecies were explaining themselves (more).

But since you did not understand what I said in the past and when you at times "explained my positions" to others on your forum, you gave it your twist and would not allow me to correct your erroneous take on my views. That was unfortunate because by doing so you placed your shadow between light from heaven and individuals that were seeking for light.

And now that I am more in tune with James White's counsel that you kindly shared, you are more opposed to considering how prophecy has been fulfilled in current events. That is probably because you have made up your mind and no matter what the facts are, you will hold to your opinion. You once wrote me, "No American Presidents are identified in Daniel 7." So now that prophecy is verifiable and the American Presidents are identifiable and confirmed, you can't see how "Daniel and Revelation are explaining themselves by their fulfillment in these last days."

I truly regret that you did not understand what I was writing at the time and that you did not see the merit of giving feedback that could have blessed my searching for truth. I had always thought that you were intelligent and had insights that were a blessing. But when you took the position that things were cut and dry that were not so cut and dry, it came across as your way or the highway. That was not very helpful.

Christian Regards

You are constantly revising your views to justify failed predictions and to accommodate current events. You firmly believe each revision is "present truth" and lament those who do not wholeheartedly embrace it. Each time your predictions fail you figure out a way to explain it rationally and then come up with "new light" and describe the process as advancing from "light to light". It doesn't ring right, brother. I am completely comfortable with the way Ellen White left it in the book The Great Controversy. If we as individuals and a church continue to proclaim the truth about Jesus, victorious living, and the Sabbath - we are doing the will of God.

Yesterday, the Lord blessed my study of "No prophetic time after 1844" related to Daniel 12's 1335-days.

Some SDA's teach that Sister White states that there is no prophetic time past 1844.

But EGW does not contradict herself.



Since Ellen White had no visions until after 1844, all of her Heaven inspired views on prophetic time were given after 1844.



In 1888, Ellen White stated that the book of Daniel was unsealed since 1798 and knowledge of the prophecies has increased.



In this 1903 statement, Ellen White began at 1843-44 and states "A great work will be done" thus putting that work in the future "will be done" after 1844. She continues "A message will soon be given by God's appointment" further placing that message in the future from the time of her statement in 1903. This message is to swell into the LOUD CRY: Then Daniel will stand in his lot, to give his testimony. Also note that this is "the closing work." The closing work does not link to the beginning of the opening of the book of Daniel but to the ending or the closing of the work of Daniel.

Thus after making the statement in 1888 that Daniel was standing in his lot in 1798, Ellen White clearly states that Daniel will stand in his lot after 1903. But if Daniel was standing in his lot in 1798 how can she say that he will stand in his lot in the future after 1903?

The statement about 1798 gives some insight: "knowledge of the prophecies has increased." As knowledge of Daniel's prophecy has increased since 1798, it is to increase further after 1903.

This is evident from Revelation 10.



The little book that was opened was the sealed book of Daniel that had been opened around 1798. Thus when John was commanded to eat the little book of Daniel, he was prophesying about the 1843-44 period when preaching that the fulfillment of Daniel's prophesy was a sweet message that turned sour when Jesus did not come as anticipated. Then comes the command "Thou must prophesy again."



Thus when the command was given, "Thou must prophesy again" it is true that both Daniel and Revelation (as one book) are being commanded by order of Heaven to "prophesy again." But in another sense, Daniel, which is the prophecy "must prophesy again." So after the 1844 disappointment, the book of Daniel is to repeat its prophecy when it is to "prophesy again."



Thus Daniel continues standing in his lot in 1893 that he began to do in 1798. But in 1893 Daniel is standing in his lot with instructions from Heaven that had not been given to him in 1798; (Daniel) You must prophesy again. Thus in 1893 Daniel stands in his lot bearing his testimony (A message will soon be given by God's appointment the closing work that will swell into a loud cry).

And the timing of Daniel's standing in His lot to give this closing message is linked to Michael standing for His people. Thus Ellen White is linking heaven's command for Daniel to prophesy again to Daniel's giving a special message at God's appointed time just before Christ stands for His people at His Second Advent. Daniel's message is at God's appointed time not at a vague unspecified time. And the message that EGW links to Daniel standing with the closing message is linked to the 1335-days of Daniel 12.

The 1335-days in Daniel 12 is an important message that needs to be understood.



Thus Ellen White gives sufficient counsel that the 1335-days of Daniel will be in the last days after 1903 and that they will be understood by the wise. But her teaching is made void by a teaching that there is no prophetic time after 1844 to intervene to Christ's Second Advent that is after 1903. This is confusion to make EGW contradict herself and it is not of God. It is a satanic shadow cast over truth so that God's people will be kept in darkness until it is too late for the knowledge that they need to understand will be kept from them until it is to late to do them any good.

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Yet all her APPLICATIONS of those time lines showed they had ended in 1844 and were NOT to be reapplied.


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