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Re: Destruction of the wicked
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06/28/05 04:38 PM
06/28/05 04:38 PM
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I don't see a distinction here, Rosangela. You've said yourself that you believe that sin destroys, so we agree on this point. I also agree that God will act at a specific point to bring sin to an end. He does this by being good to His enemies, just like it says in Romans 19:21, He will overcome evil with good.
As long as you agree with the principle that the same thing which imparts life to the righteous is that which slays the wicked (which is the light of God's glory -- His glory being His goodness, His character Ex. 33:19) we have common ground.
This principle, that the same thing which gives life to the righteous is that which destroys the wicked, to me seems to be the crucial point to grasp. Understanding this enables us to see that it is not an arbitrary act of power on the part of God which causes the sinners death, but a defect in themselves, caused by their own choice, thus the blame belongs to sin and the choice of the wicked, not to God, who does nothing other than be good.
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Re: Destruction of the wicked
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06/30/05 06:58 AM
06/30/05 06:58 AM
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Ok, Tom I'm in full agreement.
So what does this post of yours lead us to?:
"This principle, that the same thing which gives life to the righteous is that which destroys the wicked, to me seems to be the crucial point to grasp."
Consider:
At the exact moment of the destruction of the wicked, the saints will have already been re-animated from the graves or translated and been alive for 1000 years. They have a much rich portion of Life than they have ever had before.
Therefore Christ must be performing some other act of "giving life" in order for the wicked to be destroyed by it.
To whom and/or what is this new infusion of the creation power to be given?
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Re: Destruction of the wicked
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06/30/05 04:01 PM
06/30/05 04:01 PM
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quote:
At the exact moment of the destruction of the wicked, the saints will have already been re-animated from the graves or translated and been alive for 1000 years. They have a much rich portion of Life than they have ever had before.
Therefore Christ must be performing some other act of "giving life" in order for the wicked to be destroyed by it.
I'm not following this. Why must Christ be performing some other act? If the wicked had been raised at the first resurrection, the same thing would happen then instead of at the second. Similarly if the righteous weren't raised until the second resurrection, they would be imparted life at the same time the wicked would be slayed.
So I'm not seeing what the difference in timing has to do with anything. I'm not following your thought.
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Re: Destruction of the wicked
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07/01/05 12:43 AM
07/01/05 12:43 AM
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Whoa...we are getting our resurrections mixed up, sorry.
When the redeemed return to earth after a 1000 years in Heaven with Him, then the wicked are raised, correct?
Since the life-giving powers of His glory have already raised the redeemed, and then 1000 years later raised the wicked, who during a certain period of time will be stirred up by Satan to attempt to "storm" the New Jerusalem, next comes the Exposure of the destiny of the wicked, and then Christ's power to re-create the earth from the chaos of the past, is this then a fuller manifestation of His glory?
In other words, what recreates the earth to the full glory of the New Earth, Christ's glory/power, cleanses literally the planet, and destroys the evil ones at the same time. Or?
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Re: Destruction of the wicked
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07/05/05 06:14 AM
07/05/05 06:14 AM
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I think the same thing (namely God's glory) destroys the wicked, and the earth, and re-creates the earth. I also think that's the order. I don't think the wicked are killed by the literal lake of fire, but are already dead by the time they are consumed by it, having been slayed by God's glory.
I was at the GC for a couple of days, so have lost the thread of this a bit. It's the first one I've been to (the fifth for my wife, whom I met indirectly because she came to the U.S. for the GC in Indianapolis). The messages were depressing, but I liked everything else about it (i.e. the music, the booths, getting so see people I hadn't seen in a long time). Well the food wasn't very good, so I guess that goes along with the messages. Actually I only heard two messages, and one wasn't bad, so I shouldn't complain.
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Re: Destruction of the wicked
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05/21/06 02:06 AM
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The following EGW quote shows they were not already dead until they are completely consumed in the lake of fire: Quote:
Satan rushes into the midst of his followers and tries to stir up the multitude to action. But fire from God out of heaven is rained upon them, and the great men, and mighty men, the noble, the poor and miserable, are all consumed together. I saw that some were quickly destroyed, while others suffered longer. They were punished according to the deeds done in the body. Some were many days consuming, and just as long as there was a portion of them unconsumed, all the sense of suffering remained. Said the angel, "The worm of life shall not die; their fire shall not be quenched as long as there is the least particle for it to prey upon." {EW 294.1}
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