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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: dedication] #135976
09/07/11 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted By: His child"
The 1335-days in Daniel 12 is an important message that needs to be understood.



Originally Posted By: Originally Posted By: EGW


The words of the angel to Daniel relating to the last days were to be understood in the time of the end. At that time, "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." "The wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." Daniel 12:4, 10. {DA 234.4}


The great truth that Daniel testifies to is the SANCTUARY message. It's all through his book, yet few have grasped it's meaning and importance. The world mocks it, and even Adventists try to sweep it under the rug.

That is the message we should be focusing upon -- the three angels.
Not guessing who the last president will be, and reapplying the prophetic timelines that have already run their course.

All those prophetic time lines pointed to one thing -- the beginning of the "hour of judgment". That's why they don't go beyond 1844.
The beginning of this judgment means Christ is about to come -- when He stands up to come deliver His people probation ends .

Originally Posted By: EGW
"All the inhabitants of the universe are watching, as in these last days God is preparing a people to stand in the judgment. Let us ask God to clothe us with the robe of Christ's righteousness, that we may be prepared for the coming of the Son of man. {YRP 363.1}

The subject of the sanctuary and the investigative judgment should be clearly understood by the people of God. All need a knowledge for themselves of the position and work of their great High Priest. Otherwise, it will be impossible for them to exercise the faith which is essential at this time, or to occupy the position which God designs them to fill. Every individual has a soul to save or to lose. Each has a case pending at the bar of God. Each must meet the great Judge face to face. How important, then, that every mind contemplate often the solemn scene when the judgment shall sit and the books shall be opened, when, with Daniel, every individual must stand in his lot, at the end of the days. {Ev 221.3}

"The prophecies present a succession of events leading down to the opening of the Judgment. This is especially true of the book of Daniel. But that part of his prophecy which related to the last days, Daniel was bidden to close up and seal "to the time of the end." Not till we reach this time could a message concerning the Judgment be proclaimed, based on a fulfillment of these prophecies. GC 356

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: dedication] #135978
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Originally Posted By: dedication
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Originally Posted By: EGW

I would not be inclined to set time for Christ to come, and thus place myself under the same condemnation with those whom I was reproving. And I had no vision until 1845, which was after the passing of the time of general expectation in 1844. I was then shown what I have here stated. {1T 72.3}



Since Ellen White had no visions until after 1844, all of her Heaven inspired views on prophetic time were given after 1844.


????
Yet all her APPLICATIONS of those time lines showed they had ended in 1844 and were NOT to be reapplied.


Here's the full quote

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These statements relative to time setting were printed about thirty years ago, and the books containing them have been circulated everywhere; yet some ministers claiming to be well acquainted with me, state that I have set time after time for the Lord to come, and those times have passed, therefore my visions are false. No doubt these false statements are received by many as truth; but none who are acquainted with me or with my labors can in candor make such report. This is the testimony I have ever borne since the passing of the time in 1844: "Time after time will be set by different ones, and will pass by; and the influence of this time setting will tend to destroy the faith of God's people." If I had in vision seen definite time, and had borne my testimony to it, I could not have written and published, in the face of this testimony, that all times that should be set would pass, for the time of trouble must come before the coming
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of Christ. Certainly for the last thirty years, that is, since the publication of this statement, I would not be inclined to set time for Christ to come, and thus place myself under the same condemnation with those whom I was reproving. And I had no vision until 1845, which was after the passing of the time of general expectation in 1844. I was then shown what I have here stated. {1T 72.3}


As you have clearly shown from the EGW quote in its entirety, she was accused of "time setting" for a date for Christ to return. The context is FOR SETTING NEW DATES FOR CHRIST'S ADVENT not prophetic time periods that align with the prophecies.

Read it again. The focus is on setting new times for Christ to come, but there is nothing there commanding us not to understand the times that have been fulfilled.

I clearly teach that by their fulfillment the times in Daniel and Revelation are explaining themselves, but you are convinced that my work is "setting times."

God does not reveal things to us to keep them secret from us.

After the command is given in Revelation 10 "Thou must prophesy again" Revelation 12, 13, and 17 and other chapters cite prophetic time.

Thus to misread the Spirit of prophecy in such a way as to void the word of God is not rightly dividing the word.

Such a reading takes that which is revealed and makes it as though it has not been revealed. It voids the word of God and blocks it from accomplishing that to which the Lord sends it to do.

But I do understand how hard it is to rightly divide the word of God and that Sister White's statements sometimes come across as ambiguous. If that were never the case, men and women could use their finite wisdom to explain every thing without the discernment of the Holy Spirit.

But the Spirit that inspired the prophecies also inspires the correct interpretations.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: His child] #135979
09/08/11 12:04 AM
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You must prophecy again.

What does that phrase mean? When was it applied?
Let's see what inspiration has to say about it.

Actually Rev. 10 and the first verses of Rev. 11 give the setting for the three angels' messages that are later defined.

Revelation 10.3-4
And [he]cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roars: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.


To which EGW comments:

"The special light given to John which was expressed in the seven thunders was a delineation of events which would transpire under the first and second angel's messages. It was not best for the people to know these things, for their faith must necessarily be tested." {7BC 971)

In the next verses John is given an unsealed book and told to eat it. It's sweet to the taste but bitter in the stomache. Then he is told to you must PROPHECY AGAIN.

The little book was the book of Daniel. With great joy people from 1840-1844 were devouring its prophecies. The timelines were understood. And other than a slight adjustment due to there being no year "0" their calculations were correct.
Anyone reading the writings of the early pioneers realizes they were fully convinced the 1260, 1335 1290, 2300 years were all completed. All leading up to 1844.

But they thought the sanctuary to be cleansed at the end of those timelines was the earth. They expected Christ to come. Thus the book turned bitter in their stomachs when the great disappointment occured.

It was at this POINT that were to prophecy again.

The first and second angel's messages were given at the right time-- but they were to prophecy AGAIN. The truth of Christ's work in the heavenly sanctuary was discovered as the seventh trumpet began to sound and the third angels' message was added to the first two messages.

The writer of Revelation tells us exactly what was to be the message of the disappointed believers in prophecy.

A reed like a rod was given me, and the angel said, Rise, and measure the temple of the God, and the altar, and them that worship therein." But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not" (11:1-2)
They were commanded to "measure the temple".
What was to be measured?

The same three things that were to be cleansed in the day of atonement!

The altar,(Lev. 16:18)
the sanctuary (Lev. 16:16)
and the worshipers! (16:17)

As these disappointed ones examined and evaluated "what sanctuary" was to be "cleansed" at the end of the 2300 day/years, they found out that during the seventh trumpet, the temple IN HEAVEN was opened and the ark of the testament was seen in heaven. (Rev. 11:19) (obviously this part of the temple was opened near the end of earth's history-- at the seventh trumpet!)

Originally Posted By: EGW
"At the termination of the 2300 days, in 1844, there had been no sanctuary on earth for many centuries. Thus the prophecy, "Unto two thousand three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed," unquestionably points to the sanctuary in Heaven. {GC88 417.1}

"At the time appointed for the judgment--the close of the 2300 days, in 1844--began the work of investigation...GC486

"Jesus entered the most holy of the heavenly, at the end of the 2300 days of Daniel 8, in 1844, to make a final atonement for all who could be benefited by His mediation, and thus to cleanse the sanctuary." EW 253

"...the 2300 days terminated in the year 1844, and that the great event represented by the cleansing of the sanctuary must then take place. {GC88 328.3}


There is no ambiguity there.
The 2300 day/year prophecy ended in 1844.

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: dedication] #135980
09/08/11 12:32 AM
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So how are those dates relevent to us?

1. 1798 marks an end to 1260 years of papal oppression.
Forgetting that, causes us to take our freedoms for granted, and allows for the return of a religious state directed by the papacy. And people are forgetting that. And soon our freedoms will end.

2. 1844 marks the end of the 2300 years and the beginning of the pre-advent judgment hour. Christ is our judge and advocate, He is our ONLY mediator, Lord and Savior. He stands by the ark of the covenant in which reside the ten commandments. He will cleanse and make us pure and white if we are willing and obedient.
In the last crises the issue will be over God's commandments or man's commandments -- and if we don't see Christ by the ark in the heavenly sanctuary Who alone we must answer to, and seek after, we will be mislead by all the arguments that another law and another religious authority is now important.

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: dedication] #136167
09/20/11 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Originally Posted By: His child"
The 1335-days in Daniel 12 is an important message that needs to be understood.



Originally Posted By: Originally Posted By: EGW


The words of the angel to Daniel relating to the last days were to be understood in the time of the end. At that time, "many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." "The wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." Daniel 12:4, 10. {DA 234.4}


The great truth that Daniel testifies to is the SANCTUARY message. It's all through his book, yet few have grasped it's meaning and importance. The world mocks it, and even Adventists try to sweep it under the rug.

That is the message we should be focusing upon -- the three angels.
Not guessing who the last president will be, and reapplying the prophetic timelines that have already run their course.

All those prophetic time lines pointed to one thing -- the beginning of the "hour of judgment". That's why they don't go beyond 1844.
The beginning of this judgment means Christ is about to come -- when He stands up to come deliver His people probation ends .
While I may agree with you that it doesn't name individual presidents, I'm don't see how you made the next jump. Specifically, "All those prophetic time lines pointed to one thing -- the beginning of the "hour of judgment". That's why they don't go beyond 1844." How do you conclude that?
How do you say, the first mention of 1290 and 1335 days, has already run its course?

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: kland] #136187
09/22/11 11:50 AM
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6 ton school bus sized satellite is going to plung into the earth within the next several days

compared it to Revelation 8

Just before the seven plagues fall Revelation gives a caveat to explain what lead up to them

In the context of Daniel and Revelation explaining themselves by their fulfillment and the command in revelation 10 "thou must prophesy again."

Revelation 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
7 ¶ The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Note the punctuation change "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth and the third part; of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up."

The earth in Bible prophecy is America. It was formed by three parts. Eastern states, Louisiana Territory, and absorption of Texas that had been an independent nation.

Texas (1/3 of the components forming the earth/America) is just getting a wildfire sparked by lightning (fire cast upon the earth) under control. That fire has especially burned oily trees like cedar that increased the intensity of the blaze and vast grass lands.

8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

The word mountain is from a root that means to rise and to fall. America launched (like a mountain rising) a satellite into orbit that weigh about 6 tons and is the size of a school bus. It is due to fall (like a mountain going down) this week and hit the earth.

9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

This brings back to mind the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico last year with crude oil flowing uncontrolled to the surface and looking like blood on the tide. I wonder where that satellite is going to hit and what damage it is going to do.

We will soon see.

Blessings


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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: kland] #136189
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Originally Posted By: kland
While I may agree with you that it doesn't name individual presidents, I'm don't see how you made the next jump. Specifically, "All those prophetic time lines pointed to one thing -- the beginning of the "hour of judgment". That's why they don't go beyond 1844." How do you conclude that?
How do you say, the first mention of 1290 and 1335 days, has already run its course?


The God that can name King Cyrus by name 100+ before he ruled knows the name of the last pope and the last President. Thus it begs to be asked if He revealed this information in His word?

If He did (and He did) then why does not everyone get it?

Because His word is not going to be understood by everyone.

It can be bantered back and forth who has understanding? But as long as we differ on our understanding, it is human nature to assume that "our position" is the correct one.

But Jesus rebuked Laodicea for their lack of understanding. When the counsel to the churches is studied in Revelation, some churches are rebuked, but individuals within the churches are commended for holding fast to the truth. But that is not the counsel to Laodicea:


14 ¶ And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Laodicea is rebuked for having so much and being so out of step with Christ. And the promise to Laodicea is only to him that overcomes the Church's handicap.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: His child] #136191
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No American Presidents in Bible prophecy?

Originally Posted By: EGW
There in His open hand lay the book, the roll of the history of God’s providences, the prophetic history of nations and the church. Herein was contained the divine utterances, His authority, His commandments, His laws, the whole symbolic counsel of the Eternal, and the history of all ruling powers in the nations. In symbolic language was contained in that roll the influence of every nation, tongue, and people from the beginning of earth’s history to its close. (9MR 7.2, bold added )


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: kland] #136192
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Originally Posted By: kland
While I may agree with you that it doesn't name individual presidents, I'm don't see how you made the next jump. Specifically, "All those prophetic time lines pointed to one thing -- the beginning of the "hour of judgment". That's why they don't go beyond 1844." How do you conclude that?
How do you say, the first mention of 1290 and 1335 days, has already run its course?


Originally Posted By: EGW
The message of salvation has been preached in all ages; but this message is a part of the gospel which could be proclaimed only in the last days, for only then
would it be true that the hour of Judgment had come. The prophecies present a succession of events leading down to the opening of the Judgment. This is especially true of the book of Daniel. But that part of his prophecy which related to the last days, Daniel was bidden to close up and seal "to the time of the end."
GC356


For more thorough study

http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/dan/1260_1290_1335.html

Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844 [Re: dedication] #136197
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Originally Posted By: dedication

Originally Posted By: EGW
The message of salvation has been preached in all ages; but this message is a part of the gospel which could be proclaimed only in the last days, for only then
would it be true that the hour of Judgment had come. The prophecies present a succession of events leading down to the opening of the Judgment. This is especially true of the book of Daniel. But that part of his prophecy which related to the last days, Daniel was bidden to close up and seal "to the time of the end."
GC356


Ok,

Specifically, "All those prophetic time lines pointed to one thing -- the beginning of the "hour of judgment". That's why they don't go beyond 1844."

How do you conclude that?
How do you say, the first mention of 1290 and 1335 days, has already run its course?

Are you saying that the prophecies presenting a succession of events means that at the time of the "judgment", all prophecies, all events, have already "succeeded"?
If so, I absolutely don't believe that to be true. Throughout Daniel, that is demonstrated otherwise.

Look after the part you underlined. "But". What do you think that means?

Quote:

For more thorough study

You may want to get a more complete definition of Preterists, Futurists, and Historicists. And compare with what the Bible and Ellen White says about "traditions of men".

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