I never said it did!!!
The historicist view covers time from the prophets day till the restoration. But the time lines (2300, 1260,1290, 1335)are ended.

Dedication, the seven-thousand year prophecy is found in Daniel, and the millennium is certainly found in Revelation. I'm not sure how you would find otherwise.


The timelines I'm looking at have nothing to do with jubilee cycles. I don't get into those.

What matters is not what anyone thinks but what is on God's timeline. Things are not always as they appear. Bishop Ussher's chronology may not be accurate, and it is my finding that we are still shy of 6000 years from the detailed study I have done.

How do you interpret Amos 3:7? What of Mrs. White's declaration that the day and hour will be announced? What of Paul's statements in the NT?

WE are not to be among those who walk in darkness concerning these times we are living in.

As for the millennium not being an "endtime prophecy," does that mean that "prophetic time" can still apply to it?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

1. The seven thousand year prophecy is not in Daniel. There is no verse saying six thousand years shall the earth writhe in evil then shall Christ come and the seventh thousand year period will be spent in heaven (or in His kingdom).

2. The millennium is not predicting the length of time when evil reigns upon earth. It is the "Sabbath rest" for the earth.




But that's where the six thousand years plus one thousand years of Sabbath rest for the earth come from! It's based on the concept of the week -- six days followed by the Sabbath.
Even in the fall of Jerusalem it is mentioned that Israel had not given the land it's Sabbath rest, so they were in captivity for 70 years so the land could enjoy the accumulated "sabbath rest".

Lev. 25:3 Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof;
25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

Lev. 26:34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.
26:35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.

2 Cor. 36:21 To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.

For 6000 years mankind has been destroying the earth. The earth will have it's "Sabbath rest" for 1000 years.



Of course -- and that includes EVERYONE not just me.


How does any of that affect the solid foundation of the completed timelines that clearly reveal the time in history in which we are living?
The signs are everywhere that we are at the end.

The announcement of the day and hour of Christ's coming happens during the SEVENTH PLAGUE. We aren't there yet.

And hopefully we are not walking in darkness concerning the times we are living in!

Matt. 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.





The millennium is not predicting the length of time when evil reigns upon earth. It's not part of the TIMELINES in that sense. It's the "sabbath rest" after Christ has come in the clouds of glory.
No -- it is not reckoned in prophetic time.

Dedication,

What day and hour is spoken of in Matthew 24:36? If you study carefully, you will soon see there is no reference whatsoever to the second advent there, nor is it speaking of that. However, we Adventists have been awesome cliff jumpers (jumping to conclusions) with verses like this. It's a deep and somewhat involved study, actually, which I have not yet posted to this forum. However, I would invite you to prove the verse for yourself. See if it relates to the second coming or not.

Regarding the 7000 year prophecy in Daniel, it is to be found in chapter four. Trust me. It is there.

There are two prophetic time formulas in the Bible. Most Adventists are only aware of one. However, most Adventists also cannot tell the meaning of the prophecy in which it is given. We are good at ripping the day-for-year formula out of Ezekiel 4:6 and applying it to every other prophecy in the book but. Why are not our leaders studying with due diligence to understand the prophecy in which the formula is set?

It is interesting to note that both of the time formulas in the Bible have exactly two verses to support them.

Day-for-year: Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6
Day-for-millennium: Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8

It is the latter which applies to Daniel 4. Feel free to study it yourself. The following are the notable features you will wish to examine.

1) Nebuchadnezzar's hair grows like eagle's feathers.
2) Nebuchadnezzar's nails grow like birds' claws.

What do birds represent in the Bible or in prophecy? (Consider the parable of the sower, what David and Goliath declare to each other, Deuteronomy 28:26 and Revelation 18:2.)

3) Nebuchadnezzar eats grass.

When is the last time you saw an eagle eating grass? And what does grass represent? (Hint: Isaiah 40:7.)

For that matter, why in the world does not his hair grow like a horse's mane and his nails like hooves? Wouldn't that be much more fitting for a pasture animal? The fact that he becomes like an eagle is notable--and should make bells go off in our minds that this is a type...and something worthy of study.

4) Nebuchadnezzar is out there for "seven times."

Why "times?" Why not just say "days?" or "years?" Could it be that this is ambiguous for a reason? such as for a dual application?

I believe so. And it is no small coincidence that this event happens to Nebuchadnezzar just after his heart is lifted up in pride.

God bless,

Green Cochoa.

This IS TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND COMING:
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.









Matthew 24 is not talking in symbols it's straight forward talk. The words are plain enough.

We have been warned NOT to set dates for the second coming, or for the close of probation for that matter. We can know the time is NEAR even at the door, but the day and hour of Christ's coming, humans won't know until it's announced by God's voice during the seventh plague -- and then only the faithful will understand it, the rest think it's thunder.



Chapter four is the experience of king Nebuchadnezzar.

"Nebuchadnezzar's nails grow like birds' claws"
They don't grow like hoofs because a human's fingernails if left uncut and unbroken look like claws not like hooves. Have you ever seen someone who's managed to grow their fingernails two or more inches long? They look like curved claws !!!

Besides, the poor man was insane for seven years.
That doesn't fit the six years of earthly "madness" and the seventh in heaven.

Or maybe -- you seem to be saying Nebuchadnezzar represents satan, who is given 7000 years of life after being cast out of heaven.

But after seven years reason returned to Nebuchadnezzar and he is a changed man who acknowledges and worships God. He reigns for several years after that during which time he praises and extols and honours the King of heaven.


But now it seems you are suggesting that this prophecy means
each year stands for a thousand years.
A "time" equals one year. Seven "times" equals seven years.
So to get 7000 years, you are suggesting 1 year = 1000 years.

But Peter and the Psalmist say a thousand years are like a day to God, not a year. So you would be establishing a whole third formula.







The formula is set in Daniel nine.
seventy weeks (seventy weeks have 490 days) which are given to the Jews.
You calculate time from the command to rebuild the city state of Jersualem to the coming of Christ and the ONLY formula that fits is A DAY EQUALS A YEAR formula.

That is the formula that fits the other prophecies as well.
Daniel eight -- how long the vision?
Starting with Media Persia -- through Greece -- to the time of the end, 2300 days got to equal 2300 years.

It can't be a day = a thousand years.

Dedication,

I respect your view. I understand that it is a long-held view by Adventists, and that traditional views die hard. But it is not faithful to the text.

The Adventist Bible Commentary is also incorrect in expounding on these verses. If you use the ABC, you will find it largely agrees with your view.

But the Commentary's view is not held without difficulty. You see, apparently, the folk writing it held more to tradition (Adventist) than to text of the Word itself. Had they researched the Greek meanings of words used in that passage, they would have found a startling conundrum...or at least, an opposing interpretation.

If you are not interested in changing your view, I will understand and will write no further here about it.



I see. No symbols in verse 28? No symbols in verses 37-44? Really? The version in Luke 17, by the way, puts the equivalent of verse 28 right with the so-called "rapture" texts--as the answer to the disciples' question about where the people are taken.


Agreed. Except that I don't know how you set the date for the announcement to be during the seventh plague. But the rest of this I agree with.


Yes. That is what is meant. Daniel 4 has some similarities to chapters like Ezekiel 28.


Yes. Thankfully for Nebuchadnezzar, he is not Satan himself, only typifying Satan for a time. Yet even Satan, we are told, will acknowledge God's supremacy and worship Him after the final millennium.


How did you get seven years from seven times? Is it not by the day=year principle? If we start with a day, it can represent either a year or a millennium.

The word "times" in the Chaldean there meant the same as our English word does. In just the chapter prior, the Hebrew worthies were told, using the same Chaldean word, that at the "time" the sackbut, harp, etc. were played, they were to bow down to the image. I can hardly image the king commanding every one to stand there waiting for the right "year" in which to act. Furthermore, the king spoke to the wise men in chapter 2 using this same word for "time" and complaining that they were just stalling for time in telling him his dream. I don't think the king had any intention whatsoever of waiting for a period of years for their answer.



No, the Bible is establishing that formula, Dedication, not me. I'm not establishing any formulas at all. It is an intriguing point that only 2 Peter 3:8, of all the four time-formula texts, gives its formula in a "definition statement." You see, I learned in Geometry class that if A=B & B=A you have a definition statement. When it can go both ways, you have a complete equality. For example, a duck = a bird, but it cannot go the other way around for not all birds are ducks.

The Bible never makes one year equal one day. So it did not need to give us the day-year formula as a definition statement which can go both ways. However, the Bible does use the day-millennium formula in both directions.

Remember how long Adam lived? He lived 930 years. Yet that entire 930 was not as much as 1000, the equivalent of a single day. In light of the millennium=day formula, we soon understand the truth of the words "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


What formula is set in Daniel 9? Aren't you using the formula that is set in Ezekiel 4?

I don't think there is any day=year formula given in Daniel.

Regarding the Ezekiel formula, what does that prophecy mean? Can you tell me where the 390 days/years or the 40 days/years fit in? What do they mean?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

It sounds like you are saying several things.

• That prophetic time is symbolic time.
• That since the prophecy of Daniel 4 is concerning an individual, it is not prophetic.
• That relating future events is not prophetic.
• That time prophecies only cover times when evil reigns upon earth.
• That we can only conclude that there is no more time prophecies since evil no longer reigns upon the earth.

And if prophecy concerning an individual only and can only mean literal time, then I can see why you object to His Child saying Daniel 12 refers to a specific president.

But I think you need to prophecy again concerning prophetic versus symbolic definitions. Without proper definitions it's hard to communicate.

What is prophetic.
What is symbolic.
What is literal.
How do they relate to each other.

I'm not sure I follow. While I agree the same word is used elsewhere, how do you get day=year out of it? Then, what about time=day=year=year-of-days=year-of-years? I think that would compound and confuse the issue.

You're right, kland. That would seem confusing.

Actually, the way I go is this:

Start with the word "time" in the Chaldean, and look for its corresponding Hebrew word. The Chaldean has but few references in the Bible to go on, and is likely less-well understood. According to BlueLetterBible.org, the Hebrew equivalent is the word "iddah", which means "menstruation." It gives the idea of something cyclic or regular--a recurring event. Following up another step in the ladder, we arrive at the Hebrew word "uwd" which means "to return, repeat, go about, do again."

To me, this helps me understand the Chaldean word for "time" better. It is a cyclic time. Something that repeats. In studying the Hebrew word "yowm", the definition given here shows it is the main Hebrew word for time and means "day, time, year." So it is quite possible that the same word indicates both "day" and "year." Both of these words indicate a cyclic relationship with the sun. They are both recurring solar times, based on our perspective. This is, perhaps, one reason the "day" can so easily be made to represent a "year."

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Ummm.... Maybe it would be better to say:
This is, perhaps, one reason the Chaldean word can represent/mean both day or year.

Because I thought the reason we use day to represent a year is Eze and Numbers.