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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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10/12/11 03:37 PM
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Well it does fit some more radical explanations I've heard -- basically that Christ's coming will seem like a great astroid slowly approaching earth, it's approach terrifies the people of earth and prompts the radical decision to eliminate all opposition to the "world religion" in hopes that disaster will be stayed and God will be appeased.
As it comes nearer it turns all nature out of its course by its sheer magnetic and powerful force -- thus the events of the seventh plague. Then God announces the time when it will reach earth. God's people watch expectantly as it comes closer, now knowing it is the sign of Christ coming. But as I mentioned -- that's a more radical interpretation? Ellen makes it clear the approach of Jesus is not detected until He arrives in the east as "a small black cloud", which is vastly different than a speeding, fiery asteroid. Ellen wrote: And I saw a flaming cloud come where Jesus stood and he laid off his priestly garment and put on his kingly robe, took his place on the cloud which carried him to the east where it first appeared to the saints on earth, a small black cloud, which was the sign of the Son of Man. {DS, March 14, 1846 par. 2}
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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10/12/11 05:42 PM
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Kland, yes, I think all the details described in GC 613-641 can happen within the "number of days" Ellen specified. Oh yes, I agree with that 100%! I was only disagreeing with the arbitrary equating of a few days to the "number of days".
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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10/12/11 11:27 PM
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If we take into consideration all the quotes I posted above it seems clear to me Ellen is saying several things will happen nearly simultaneously - 1) Jesus ceases mediating, 2) probation closes, 3) Jesus leaves the sanctuary bound for the east, a journey that will take "a number of days", 4) the angels begin pouring out the seven last plagues.
What do you think "bound for the east" means?
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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10/12/11 11:37 PM
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Actually you are quoting from one of the very FIRST visions EGW received on the matter. In that vision it all seemed to happen "simultaneously".
But over time God gave her more visions filling in the details.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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I believe "east" is the direction in the Bible which represents political powers or government.
When Jesus comes again, it will not be as the humble servant/teacher as before. It will be as victorious and reigning King of kings. This is why He will appear in the East.
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We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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That's a nice symbolic application but
I guess I always thought of it in a very literal way rather than a symbolic way. It has to do with the rotation of the earth.
The sun, moon and stars always "rise" in the east because the earth spins toward the east.
Earth rotates or spins toward the east, and that's why the Sun, Moon, planets, and stars all rise in the east and make their way westward across the sky. Suppose you are facing east - the planet carries you eastward as it turns, so whatever lies beyond that eastern horizon eventually comes up over the horizon and you see it!
If you face west, everything gradually disappears beyond the western horizon!
So I do not quite understand how Jesus has to first travel to the east any more than the sun has to travel to the east in order for us to see it coming up in the east. This traveling to the east (which according to some comments here apparently would have to take quite some time), before He approaches earth and becomes visible to God's people.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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10/13/11 02:22 AM
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Dedication,
It is true that the earth rotates toward the East. But if you were to utilize the rotation of the earth as your sole criterion, you have only eliminated one of the four possible directions from which Christ might come.
If you look at some of the Bible texts, it would be rather logical for Him to appear from the North. But, instead, He chooses to come from the East. Not without a reason.
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Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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10/13/11 05:06 AM
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It says he comes from the east so that's really criterion enough as to which direction we will see Him coming.
But He also comes from OUTER space, not from within our atmosphere, so the rotation of the earth does determine from which direction we will see Him coming.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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10/13/11 06:18 AM
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Perhaps I needed to be more clear.
If Jesus came from North or South, the rotation of the earth would have no effect. No matter how much the world turns, North stays in the same place, and likewise for South.
Blessings,
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We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: No Prophetic Time after 1844
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M: Kland, yes, I think all the details described in GC 613-641 can happen within the "number of days" Ellen specified.
K: Oh yes, I agree with that 100%! I was only disagreeing with the arbitrary equating of a few days to the "number of days". Did I suggest "a number of days" equals "a few days"? If I did I didn't mean to. At any rate, I suppose the expression "a number of days" can encompasses several days or more, but probably not as many as several weeks or more. I hope it lasts less than a week. Here's how she used the expression elsewhere: “Some of the poor were zealous to attend every conference, taking their whole families with them, consuming a number of days to get to the place of meeting . . . {LS80 264.1}
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