I do believe that the son has all the attributes of His Father as you say, but that needs to be qualify. What our finite mind understand what is Divinity is very limited for we are not divine and cannot relate to it. Plus we are fallen from the status we once possess making it even harder to grasp.

Personally, I struggle to understand these dimensions. All I know is what the Bible says.

Is divinity defined by being self-existent or immortal? If we hold to this limited definition, then we need to conclude with our so "great intellectual capacity" that Christ was not divine because these was given to him. We know for Jesus to die on the cross, His immortality had to be given back to the Father. The Bible says also that we will be change into an immortal body. Does that mean we then have self-existance? – I do not believe that and can show it with scriptures that it is not so.

I will not conclude that Christ is not divine or make Him a “little god” like the Johovah Witness does just because of our limited understanding of divinity. I rather stick with what God gave us to know.

Jesus-Christ was the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. Right there that is different and beyond from all that is created including Lucifer by which all was & is through Jesus. That’s why this make Jesus the I AM, for all things lives through him. This doesn’t mean He originated self-existance. It was given to Him by the Father by which he pass it on to all of creation. Jesus is the mediator of life. There’s no other. Life is imparted through His word which is Spirit.

Jesus did not begot all of creation, He spoke them into existance. There’s a big difference there and that’s how set’s Jesus apart from all of creation. How Jesus was begotten we do not know.

Let’s ponder on what God reveal to us with our own children. The father of the family owns all things in the family household. The father gives to his son some (or all at his death) of his possession, his knowledge, his wisdom, his food(life), some authority when he grows up, etc… Just because these are given to his son, does that makes his son less partaker of his name and genetic makeup? No. His son has his name and his attributes only with the fact that he is begotten of his seed.

Here’s another great area of speculation and denominational intend blindness relating to the English translated word “eternity”.

There is of no certainty how and where in scriptures the word Olam(h5769) or Aion(g165) should be translated as “eternal” or “everlasting”. This is plainly stated by many great theologians. It is sad that this fact is not translated to the average Christian or even to the preachers and teachers who seems totally convince that these words means nothing else other then never ending time whether past or future.

Strongs defines Aion : “from the same as 104 [aei, ‘continued duration']; prop. an age; by extens. perpetuity (also past); by impl. the world; spec. (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future).”

So properly it means “an age,” and it only means by extension “perpetuity.” Thus, he’s saying that it can mean either a limited period of time or an unlimited period of time. However, to make it an unlimited period of time requires that you extend its basic usual meaning, which is limited.

Since a "limited" or "unlimited" translation of these words is debatable, Young has translated this word as “age or age-lasting”. Other translators like Rotherham, Wilson, and Noah(Concordant translation) has also corrected these to reflect more to the proper meaning as Young did.

Olam : H5769 `owlam o-lawm' from H5956; properly, concealed, i.e. the vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e. (practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with prepositional prefix) always. Compare H5331, H5703.

H5956 `alam aw-lam' a primitive root; to veil from sight, i.e. conceal (literally or figuratively).

Aion got it’s meaning from Olam which properly means a veil/concealed time. So just from this, I get that G-d doesn't want us to know right now and purposely veil this to us.

Here is what Dr. Bullinger explains

“The root meaning of aion is expressed by the Heb. olam . . . which denotes indefinite, unknown or concealed duration; just as we speak of ‘the patriarchal age', or ‘the golden age', etc. Hence, it has come to denote any given period of time, characterized by a special form of Divine administration or dispensation.”

So let’s don’t get into the unknown here and go beyond what the Bible says where G-d, in His wisdom, did not want to reveal the specific to us now. Olam can mean a limited or unlimted time. Relating to Jesus begotteness – it may mean that before He was begotten He didn’t exist and the Father was alone at that time. We just don't know and can only assume via how we begat our own sons. But let's be frank that it is an assumption and our understanding is finite. It is a mystery – conceal to us what it really means. All we know there is much emphasis by the Father that Jesus is to be known as His ONLY begotten Son. So Jesus is set apart from anyone else and that should be enough for us to know now and wait for the "age" to come for the Father to unconceal this mystery.

True. But we do know, at least, when. Jesus was begotten "when the fullness of time was come." That is, when Mary brought forth.

That it is said He was "begotten from eternity" is akin to it being said He was "slain from the foundation of the world." Both of these references speak to the fact that the event was prophesied, planned, expected and would most certainly take place. Obviously, Jesus was not slain during creation week. Neither was He previously begotten.

John 1 is clear that "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." At that time of His becoming flesh, He was begotten. And He was the only one of the Godhead to have ever been begotten. This is why John 3:16 speaks of Him saying, "only begotten Son." None of the other members of the Godhead have ever had, nor ever will have, the dubious privilege of having become a son.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

AV Pr 8:22 . The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

AV Pr 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

AV Pr 8:24 When [there were] no depths, I was brought forth; when [there were] no fountains abounding with water.

This is poetic language. The poem is speaking about the wisdom of God, and of course the wisdom of God did not have a beginning.

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Self-existence means both that your life wasn't originated by anyone and that it isn't preserved by anyone.

DA 531 "In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived."

Letter 398 (1906) " In Jesus is our life derived. In Him is life, that is original, unborrowed, underived life. In us there is a streamlet from the fountain of life. In Him is the fountain of life."

NO, Rosangela: that's clearly how 'we' read those texts, TODAY, not how they are quoted in Patriarchs & Prophets, chapter ONE. We have to let history SPEAK.

I think we need to let the Bible speak.

EGW simply quotes a whole string of texts without any hint that she is trying to establish Christ's origin --her purpose was the purpose of showing that the sovereign God was not alone in Creation. Among that list of texts is also:
"His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6.
""In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:1, 2.




Solomon, as one of his literary ways of teaching, personifies wisdom as a woman, whom we should choose to hear and follow in Proverbs eight.

Personification: “is the representation of an abstraction as a person"

Yet we need to understand that WISDOM here is an attribute of God

Christ is the personification of all the attributes of God.
Christ is the wisdom of God, (1 Cor. 1:24)
Christ is the power of God (1 Cor. 1:24)
Christ is the righteousness of God (1 Cor. 1:30)
Christ is the truth of God, (John 14:6)
Christ is the love of God. (Romans 8:39)
Christ is mercy and goodness and justice.
Christ is the personification of all the attributes of God.

Yet, the deduction that since Christ is the personification of WISDOM, (as well as all the other attributes of God) that this means Proverbs is defining Christ’s origin before the incarnation, rather than the attribute of wisdom, is a faulty deduction.

Yes, Christ was there Creating. But to say WISDOM itself is literally CHRIST, is not correct.

For instance, was Christ only a spectator at creation?

Proverbs 8 says that when God prepared the heavens, Wisdom was there.
When God put the water systems in place, Wisdom was there.

The creation of all things shows the wonderful wisdom within the Godhead. That wisdom is displayed in the Creative Power and marvelous design.
God delights in wisdom and understanding, truth and uprighteness.


We know from scripture that Christ was not just a spectator (He wasn't just "there") at Creation, He was the ACTIVE CREATOR for John tells us that:

The Word [Jesus] was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

No, that life comes from Christ the one whose life is underived, unborrowed, self existant.

Even when given immortal bodies -- if any who are given that gift were to separate themselves from Christ and go their own self willed ways they would sooner or later loose life.

Why do you think there's a tree of life in the New Earth?
No created being has life apart from God.