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Re: The belief of "Sinless Perfection" ... [Re: Rick H] #196864
10/21/23 02:45 AM
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Here is more from SDABC vol. 7A.

Quote
Be careful, exceedingly careful as to how you dwell upon the
human nature of Christ. Do not set Him before the people as a man
with the propensities of sin
. He is the second Adam. The first Adam
was created a pure, sinless being, without a taint of sin upon him;
he was in the image of God. He could fall, and he did fall through
transgressing. Because of sin his posterity was born with inherent
propensities of disobedience. But Jesus Christ was the only begotten
Son of God. He took upon Himself human nature, and was tempted
in all points as human nature is tempted. He could have sinned; He
could have fallen, but not for one moment was there in Him an evil
propensity. He was assailed with temptations in the wilderness, as
Adam was assailed with temptations in Eden
.?The S.D.A. Bible
Commentary 5:1128.
[448]
The Son of God humbled Himself and took man?s nature after
the race had wandered four thousand years from Eden, and from
their original state of purity and uprightness. Sin had been making
its terrible marks upon the race for ages; and physical, mental, and
moral degeneracy prevailed throughout the human family. When
Adam was assailed by the tempter in Eden he was without the taint
of sin.... Christ, in the wilderness of temptation, stood in Adam?s
place to bear the test he failed to endure
.?The Review and Herald,
July 28, 1874.
Avoid every question in relation to the humanity of Christ which
is liable to be misunderstood. Truth lies close to the track of pre-
sumption. In treating upon the humanity of Christ, you need to
guard strenuously every assertion, lest your words be taken to mean
more than they imply, and thus you lose or dim the clear perceptions
of His humanity as combined with divinity. His birth was a miracle
of God.... Never, in any way, leave the slightest impression upon
human minds that a taint of, or inclination to, corruption rested upon
Christ, or that He in any way yielded to corruption
. He was tempted
in all points like as man is tempted, yet He is called ?that holy thing.?
It is a mystery that is left unexplained to mortals that Christ could
be tempted in all points like as we are, and yet be without sin. The
incarnation of Christ has ever been, and will ever remain, a mystery.
That which is revealed, is for us and for our children, but let every
human being be warned from the ground of making Christ altogether
human, such an one as ourselves; for it cannot be
.?The S.D.A.
Bible Commentary 5:1128, 1129.

Re: The belief of "Sinless Perfection" ... [Re: dedication] #197019
11/17/23 07:33 PM
11/17/23 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dedication
Originally Posted by asygo
Originally Posted by Richard
when overcomes sin, he no longer has any desire to sin.

Though I have seen some evidence in support of this, I'm not ready to say that the desire to sin entirely disappears. Here are texts:
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"For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish." (Galatians 5:17)

From the cross to the crown there is earnest work to be done. There is wrestling with inbred sin; there is warfare against outward wrong. {RH, November 29, 1887 par. 12}


I agree with asygo.
Focusing on "when we overcome sin" is a dangerous thing.
I have been fully convinced that when our goal is "victory" we set ourselves up for defeat, because it is SELF-CENTERED.

Yes, -- we have sinful flesh and will have it till this corruptible shall put on incorruption. And that sinful flesh will continue to urge sinful behavior and emotions, sinful reactions, and sinful desires.
It's true, those desires may shift, the more flagrant sins will definitely loose their appeal and become abhorrent to us, as we draw closer to Christ, but the Holy Spirit is constantly finding new corners of uncleanliness in our lives and pushes us into cleaning them out.

There are not only the flagrant sins of transgression, there are so many sins of lacking love, patience, gentleness. There are so many sins of omission, and selfishness and pride. The work of sanctification is not something we ARRIVE at, it is an ongoing work ALL OUR LIVES.

Our job is to ABIDE IN CHRIST, always, walking with Him in obedience every day of our lives. As soon as we THINK we have the victory over sin, we start patting ourselves on the back and stop relying on Christ, and the devil will move in with a double whammy, and completely overthrow us.
I was just told much the same thing, except of focusing on 'prophetic events'. If you just look for the 'events' and dont focus on Christ, what good does it do when God says 'It is done', and we say 'I nailed the event', and yet are not ready. Left me thinking.....

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