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Re: Why arent Adventist stoning the Sabbath Breaker?
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10/26/11 05:29 AM
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That law was fulfilled in Jesus and in the sanctuary doctrine.
In the old testament the types show that death results from sin.
The repentant sinner transferred his sin upon the head of the lamb which was killed; the lamb representing Jesus Christ Who would bear the sins and die.
The rebellious sinner had his sins on his own head, and was subjected to death. Stoning being a graphic example of a sinner dying for his own sins.
But now the old types are gone. The reality is Jesus death and sanctuary ministry.
The repentant sinner today, comes to Jesus for forgiveness, accepting Christ's death in his stead.
The rebellious sinner has his sins still on his own head and will die with the tares at the second coming and bear his own sins in the last judgement into everlasting death.
But the laws to slay lambs, and to stone people on issues relating to religion, are no longer in force.
The wheat and the tares are to grow together till the harvest, when the rebellious die, and the saved are gathered into the sky to go home with Jesus.
So, are you saying that stoning ended at the cross as one of the "types" of the Old Testament? Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Why arent Adventist stoning the Sabbath Breaker?
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10/26/11 07:32 PM
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M: It seems so simple - seek Jesus' counsel before enforcing certain laws, in particular laws regulating the death penalty and matters which require knowing motive.
K: What if someone else chose a different law to consult Jesus on? Why did you choose only the death penalty? Do you have scriptural support for that? ". . . seek Jesus' counsel before enforcing certain laws". Seems so simple. You're kidding, right? Scriptural support was the request.
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Re: Why arent Adventist stoning the Sabbath Breaker?
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10/26/11 07:38 PM
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Now the person who refuses to accept Christ's justification and righteousness still carries his own sins on his own head.
But now the account is registered and judged in heaven, not in any earthly court system. Those who have accepted Christ's merits and justification, having confessed and repented of their sins and are living by faith in Christ, have PARDONED written in their records. Those who reject Christ still have their sins standing against them. They will die with the tares in the harvest.
Maybe the rebellious sinner, the ones who refuse to accept Christ should be stoned? Personally, I think this is another character of God issue coming out.
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Re: Why arent Adventist stoning the Sabbath Breaker?
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10/27/11 01:37 AM
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No, those who refuse to accept Christ should NOT be stoned. Yes, the stoning laws ended at the cross when Christ paid the death penalty for ALL mankind and sent His Holy Spirit to urge people to come to Christ and accept the gift of life which He, at the price of much suffering and death, is offering to them. But yes, there is a reckoning at the end -- Hebrews 10
26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. 27 There is only the terrible expectation of God’s judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies. 28 For anyone who refused to obey the law of Moses was put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God’s mercy to us. 30 For we know the one who said,
“I will take revenge.
I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. "More than we could possibly endure Christ endured in our behalf. Sinless to the last, he died for us. Justice demanded not merely that sin be pardoned; the death penalty must be met. The Saviour has met this demand. His broken body, his gushing blood, satisfied the claims of the law. Thus he bridged the gulf made by sin between earth and heaven. He suffered in the flesh, that with his robe of righteousness he might cover the defenseless sinner." {YI, April 16, 1903 par. 6}
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Re: Why arent Adventist stoning the Sabbath Breaker?
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10/27/11 08:43 PM
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But the laws to slay lambs, and to stone people on issues relating to religion, are no longer in force.
The wheat and the tares are to grow together till the harvest, when the rebellious die, and the saved are gathered into the sky to go home with Jesus.
So why do we still kill / electrocute the murderer?
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Re: Why arent Adventist stoning the Sabbath Breaker?
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10/27/11 11:57 PM
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The modern equivalent of stoning is firing squad. That is also used at times.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Why arent Adventist stoning the Sabbath Breaker?
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10/27/11 11:59 PM
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Yes, the stoning laws ended at the cross when Christ paid the death penalty for ALL mankind and sent His Holy Spirit to urge people to come to Christ and accept the gift of life which He, at the price of much suffering and death, is offering to them. Did the stoning laws end before the cross? or only when Jesus died? Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Why arent Adventist stoning the Sabbath Breaker?
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10/28/11 12:23 AM
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Are we confusing using force to make people serve God with the need of civil laws to keep society reasonably safe?
Have we totally forgotten the issues that have confronted the true followers of Christ from the beginning of Christianity?
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Re: Why arent Adventist stoning the Sabbath Breaker?
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10/28/11 01:45 AM
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Are we confusing using force to make people serve God with the need of civil laws to keep society reasonably safe?
Have we totally forgotten the issues that have confronted the true followers of Christ from the beginning of Christianity?
If you were answering my questions, these questions of yours seem not to do so. I'm wondering if you have a clear belief. Was there a specific point in time, according to the Bible (and you haven't brought forward any scripture for your belief yet that the stoning laws ended at the cross), that capital punishments ended? You said the stoning laws ended at the cross. Why? Upon what scriptural basis do you say that? If it is a matter of your own opinion, why at the cross? Why not at some arbitrary point in time before that? A law is legally binding. That is the nature of laws. So if the stoning laws were in force at some point in time, there must necessarily be a clear "thus saith the Lord" on the matter of when they would expire. If there is no such word given in the Bible, then they must still be in force. Simple logic. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Why arent Adventist stoning the Sabbath Breaker?
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10/28/11 02:23 AM
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I gave you scripture --
The parable of the wheat and tares
Col. 2:16 forbids men to judge us concerning the Sabbath.
And Hebrews 10:26-30
contrasts the punishment in Moses time with how it is after Christ's death.
but it seems you still want to stone Sabbath keepers.
I'm sure you'll get a lot of support for your position. It fits in beautifully with what will be in the very near future. But it won't be of God.
Obviously you can't understand the principle.
Anyway I've wasted enough time here --
I already told you that the stoning laws ended when the sacrificial laws ended. So why keep pushing that point?
God has never taken pleasure in the death of the wicked. He much rather that people turn from their sins, that was true even under the old covenant. (see Ez. 18:32)
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