No, you have to distinguish things. We are not guilty of the physical crucifixion of Christ. We are responsible for His mental suffering, and we are aware of the sins which caused this mental suffering (at least of most of them).

I disagree. We are guilty of the murder of Christ. The important issue is not the physical death of Christ, but the murderous intent of the heart. We all have this by nature, being enemies of God in our mind. If we are not aware of our murderous intent, how can God heal us of this sin?

Any one of us, apart from the grace of God, would have murdered the Son of God. There's more to the cross than simply our sins causing mental suffering to Christ. The cross reveals to us who we really are (in contrast to who God is).

Tom, we are guilty of killing Christ because our sins killed Him. But it is unfounded to say that if we were there we would have killed Him. His disciples did not kill Him. His mother did not kill Him. Symon the Cyrenian pitied Him. The women of Jerusalem pitied Him. They were not believers in Him and many of them would perish in the destruction of Jerusalem, but they pitied Him.

"Not a few women are in the crowd that follow the Uncondemned to His cruel death. Their attention is fixed upon Jesus. Some of them have seen Him before. Some have carried to Him their sick and suffering ones. Some have themselves been healed. The story of the scenes that have taken place is related. They wonder at the hatred of the crowd toward Him for whom their own hearts are melting and ready to break. And notwithstanding the action of the maddened throng, and the angry words of the priests and rulers, these women give expression to their sympathy. As Jesus falls fainting beneath the cross, they break forth into mournful wailing.
This was the only thing that attracted Christ's attention. Although full of suffering, while bearing the sins of the world, He was not indifferent to the expression of grief. He looked upon these women with tender compassion. They were not believers in Him; He knew that they were not lamenting Him as one sent from God, but were moved by feelings of human pity. He did not despise their sympathy, but it awakened in His heart a deeper sympathy for them. 'Daughters of Jerusalem,' He said, 'weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.' From the scene before Him, Christ looked forward to the time of Jerusalem's destruction. In that terrible scene, many of those who were now weeping for Him were to perish with their children" (DA 742, 743).

No, He had the mind of Christ. The flesh He took tempted Him, but He never yielded to temptation, so His mind was ever the mind of Christ. We have yielded to temptation, so our minds have become infected by sin and are in need of healing. We all see God as He is not. Christ saw God as He is. As we receive His vision of God, our minds are healed.

I should probably add to my previous comment that what we are by nature is not what Christ was by nature, although He took our nature. This may sound confusing, but it's not when we realize that Christ was not a man by nature; He was God. By nature, Christ was sinless and divine. We are not. Even though our flesh was identical to Christ's flesh, our minds are different than Christ's mind.

We are told in the Bible to have the mind of Christ.

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Philippians 2:4-6
4 Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

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God Bless,
Will

Right! The mind of Christ to look not to one's own interests, but to the interests of others. This is easier said than done, isn't it!

I was reading a chapter today in Ty Gibson's book, 'An Endless Falling in Love'. In chapter 17 Gibson gives his view of the Investigative Judgment. According to him, the revelation of unchristlike facets of our character after conversion is THE purpose of the investigative judgment which he equates with the process of sanctification. He backs this up well with several quotes from scripture. Better still, he gives a good explanation of how to co-operate with God in the process.

I've noted this in other threads, but I'll say it again - the book is well worth reading. I'm reading it through a second time in as many months.

It's a great book. How do you like the parable? (with the king who falls in love with the lady from the village).