MM, the word tarry conveys a negativeness. Just not coming to earth is different than "tarrying". Do you see Him "tarrying" now and for the last hundreds of years? I see Him as just not coming.

Could you deal with the quote I listed with the "thens" which shows the voice of God and then laying off His garment and then taking His place on the cloud?

If you want the word, "tarry", your quote did provide it. You must be implying a certain short amount of time to "moment". Is that justified? But it is quite obvious that he does "tarry" and the "number of days" do not begin when He leaves the sanctuary.

Yes, the expression "a moment" denotes a short time. Also, Jesus tarries a moment in the sanctuary. The plagues are not poured out while He is in the sanctuary. They are poured out after He leaves. The moment He leaves is the instant the "number of days" begins. "While the cloud was passing from the Holiest to the east which took a number of days".

I agree Jesus is not tarrying now. He won't "tarry a moment" until after probation closes. Here's the quote you're referring to:


As you know, details in a prophecy are often presented from beginning to end making it necessary to view subsequent details from different starting points rather than assuming they pick up where the last detail left off. Determining the exact chronology of a prophecy can be somewhat tricky. And, to make matters more challenging, subsequent prophecies provide even more details which must be spliced in the timeline. Here are the details in the prophecy posted above:

1. And I saw the time of trouble, such as never was,--Jesus told me it was the time of Jacob's trouble, and that we should be delivered out of it by the voice of God.

2. Just before we entered it, we all received the seal of the living God.

3. Then I saw the four Angels cease to hold the four winds.

4. And I saw famine, pestilence and sword, nation rose against nation, and the whole world was in confusion.

5. Then we cried to God for deliverance day and night till we began to hear the bells on Jesus' garment.

6. And I saw Jesus rise up in the Holiest, and as he came out we heard the tinkling of bells, and knew our High Priest was coming out.

7. Then we heard the voice of God which shook the heavens and earth, and gave the 144,000 the day and hour of Jesus' coming.

8. Then the saints were free, united and full of the glory of God, for he had turned their captivity.

9. And I saw a flaming cloud come where Jesus stood and he laid off his priestly garment and put on his kingly robe, took his place on the cloud which carried him to the east where it first appeared to the saints on earth, a small black cloud, which was the sign of the Son of Man.

10. While the cloud was passing from the Holiest to the east which took a number of days, the Synagogue of Satan worshiped at the saints feet.

She uses one of two different phrases to introduce a new detail - 1) "I saw", and 2) "then". Of the list of 10 details, 1 begins after 2 and 3 and ends after 7. 2 and 3 back up and cover details before 1. 4 begins before 1 and escalates through the end of 1. 5 happens after 1 begins but before it ends. 6 happens after 5 begins but before it ends. 7 happens after 6 begins but before it ends. 8 happens after 7 ends. 9 backs up to the beginning of 6 and ends after 10. 10 backs up to the beginning of 6 and ends before the end of 9.

Here's the point: "And I saw Jesus rise up in the Holiest, and as he came out we heard the tinkling of bells, and knew our High Priest was coming out. Then we heard the voice of God which shook the heavens and earth, and gave the 144,000 the day and hour of Jesus' coming." The "number of days" begins the moment Jesus rises up, boards the flaming cloud, and leaves the holiest bound for the East. God announces the day and hour of Jesus' arrival sometime after Jesus leaves the holiest.

Is that what we have to do with this one, too?
But how do we know that your splicing is correct and someone else's isn't?

But that's not true. It's after He boards the cloud. Otherwise, we each can insert our own splices.

How long is a moment to God?

And that quote said after He left the most holy place, but maybe we have to change the sentence order around?

Kland, I appreciate the effort you've invested here. You believe the "number of days" begins after the "voice of God" is uttered. I believe it begins the moment Jesus leaves the Holiest. The "tarried a moment" happens within the "number of days". It is apparent we are not going to agree on this point. Time will tell, eh! Hopefully sooner than later, right!

Just to clarify based upon the quotes, I believe the number of days begins after He is on the cloud when it is passing from Holiest to the east.

But, it would be great if you are right! If the time of trouble only lasts for a few or "number of days" and not years, we don't have much to worry about. I can be at peace that it won't be all that hard to go through in just days. Makes me feel much safer as it will all be over with before it starts. Hope you're right.

Thank you for the clarification. You also believe, correct me if I'm mistaken, the "voice of God" is uttered and then Jesus boards the East bound cloud.

Yes, I hope the "number of days" marks the entire great time of trouble from the close of probation to the arrival of Jesus. However, there will also be a time of trouble that precedes the close of probation. Ellen wrote:


She says "a short period", fraught with trouble, will precede the great time of trouble. In the book - Last Day Events chapter 10 The Little Time of Trouble - this "short period" is described in detail. It is during this time that the martyrs will be mowed down by the millions for refusing to desecrate the Sabbath. Many other sad and horrible things will happen during this time. I was a POW for two weeks in the military. There was nothing short or easy about it.

You are correct. I believe the voice of God is heard giving the day and hour, then He "boards" the cloud.

Regarding the rest, were we talking about different times of trouble? The voice of God comes after the time of trouble I had been talking about, the 3.5 years. Could the time of trouble you were talking about be maybe a symbolic hour in Revelation? And could she be referring to even another than those two?