The old covenant was made with the israelites - all of them. But it couldn't provide salvation - there was no Savior promised in it. When the OC led someone to realize that he had sinned and was under a curse, was lost, that person had to go back to the Savior promised in the abrahamic covenant. The two covenants ran side by side.


No, I don't believe she did it. The Bible is clear that there were two covenants, and EGW is clear that one of them is still in force. Surely you don't believe that the OC is still in force, do you?


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The NC predates the OC. The NC has always been in force since the entrance of sin, and there is salvation only under the NC. Everybody who felt the need of a Savior and accepted Him by faith was under the NC.


Jeremiah is speaking about the days of the Messiah, when God's people would understand as never before the terms of the NC and would come under it.

Of course it's OK! It just depends who finds time first to write a reply. It seems both of us are having time constrictions.

Are you suggesting A&E broke the OC when they ate the forbidden fruit?

Are you suggesting God still enters into OC terms and conditions with sinners nowadays?

When are born-again believers guilty of sinning under the OC and when are they guilty of sinning under the NC? Please provide examples and explain how they differ. Thank you.

Rosangela, are you suggesting God made two opposing, contradicting agreements with post-exilic Israel at Sinai?

Rosangela, are you suggesting the covenant named four different times in the paragraph above refers to two different and opposing covenants?

Is it possible the OC was made with the nation of Israel corporately, whereas the NC is made with people personally? If so, it stands to reason both were in effect during the reign of Israel as God's chosen nation.

Mike, there is no two "opposing" covenants. The terms of God's covenants are always the same:
obey -> live
disobey -> die
IOW, eternal life is gained through perfect obedience.
These were the terms of God's covenant before sin.
The problem with this covenant is that for sinners it means death.
The difference between the covenant made before sin and the covenant made after sin is that the covenant made after sin provided a Savior - a Savior who both obeyed and earned eternal life (for us), and who died for (our) disobedience.
This covenant, the covenant of grace, has always been in force after sin. Listen to what the Bible says:

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the law (the OC), which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.

God made a covenant with the israelites, but He didn't include in it the promise of a Savior. Why? Because He wished them to feel the need of a Savior:

Galatians 3:24 Therefore the law (the OC) was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Anyone who felt his need of a Savior and accepted Him by faith was automatically under the NC.

No, I don't think Ex 19 refers to the NC and Ex 24 refers to the OC. I think in Ex 19 the people accepted the Lord as their Ruler and agreed to become His people. In Ex 24, after the covenant (OC) was presented, and they became aware of how much it involved, they agreed to enter into covenant with Him. So I see Ex 19 more as a pre-covenant agreement.

Hasn't the NC always been made with people personally?

Rosangela, thank you. Did anyone die because they violated the terms and conditions of the OC? Or, was the OC annulled after the Jews worshiped the golden calf? And, was the OC a corporate contract (as opposed to a personal one)? Does the OC still exist today?

Difficult questions.


Those who violated the terms and conditions of the OC (which were none other than loving God supremely and loving one's neighbor as oneself) were condemned to death. But this does not mean they would die immediately. Eternal death will happen after the millennium.


I don't think so. The fact that God rewrote the tables of stone implies that the covenant wasn't annulled.


Yes, Ex 24 implies that.


The OC - Sinaitic Covenant - was made with Israel, specifically to be a teaching tool to them, and ceased to exist when Christ died on the cross.

Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.