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Re: Does All Being Saved in the End and Nobody Being Lost Have Biblical Support?
[Re: Elle]
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01/07/12 01:32 AM
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So are the wicked believers worse than the wicked unbelievers in your view?
And why would anything be "too late" if everyone will be saved?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Does All Being Saved in the End and Nobody Being Lost Have Biblical Support?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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01/07/12 09:29 AM
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Elle, You mentioned the lake of fire in one of your posts. Rev. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. This would indicate that there will be people whose names will not be written in the book of life and will be cast into the lake of fire, which the 14th verse refers to as the 2nd death. What, therefore, is your understanding of the lake of fire and more particularly its reference to it being the 2nd death? Also, what is your understanding of the 2nd death?
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Re: Does All Being Saved in the End and Nobody Being Lost Have Biblical Support?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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01/07/12 02:08 PM
01/07/12 02:08 PM
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So are the wicked believers worse than the wicked unbelievers in your view? No, we’re all the same. We were all vessels of dishonor once, however, G-d has chosen some to become vessels of honor by putting them in the fire before hand. That’s the only difference. No man should elevate or think of himself better than another. G-d needs both types of vessels and both have very important roles in His plan of salvation --“all things work together for good”. (see Rom 9-11) And why would anything be "too late" if everyone will be saved? Could you bring forth some specific texts denoting as being “too late”? It’s better to look at specific texts, however, I have already answered you in the end of my previous post. This is a figure of a too late awaken conscience realizing they lost their privilege to be co-heir with Christ and rule the earth over all nations. Losing their priviledge to be Co-heir with Christ(some texts: Heb 1:2; Ps 82:8;, Eph 1:21-23; Ps 37:9; Ps 2:8; Ps 22:27-28; Ps 67: 4; Ps 72:7-11; Dn 7:14, 18, 22, 27; Is 61:6; Is 2:4; Mic 4:3; 1Co 6:2,3; Heb 2:5-6; Rev 1:6; 5:10; 20:4,6; etc…) is what they have lost, but not eternal life. Also, this doesn't mean that G-d doesn't have another “portion” (or inheritance) reserve for them (the wicked believers and unbelievers) -- “…and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites” Mat 24:51 The text implies that there is a portion reserve for them.
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Re: Does All Being Saved in the End and Nobody Being Lost Have Biblical Support?
[Re: Daryl]
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01/08/12 05:12 PM
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Elle, I am still waiting for you to reply to this post quoted below: Elle, You mentioned the lake of fire in one of your posts. Rev. 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. This would indicate that there will be people whose names will not be written in the book of life and will be cast into the lake of fire, which the 14th verse refers to as the 2nd death. What, therefore, is your understanding of the lake of fire and more particularly its reference to it being the 2nd death? Also, what is your understanding of the 2nd death?
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Re: Does All Being Saved in the End and Nobody Being Lost Have Biblical Support?
[Re: Daryl]
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01/08/12 08:06 PM
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If anyone would just read John 3:16, it should clear it up. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Now. I see some as having 'everlasting life' and some that perish. What do you see?
Harold T.
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Re: Does All Being Saved in the End and Nobody Being Lost Have Biblical Support?
[Re: Harold Fair]
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01/08/12 09:10 PM
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There is also this one: Psalm 145:20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.
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Re: Does All Being Saved in the End and Nobody Being Lost Have Biblical Support?
[Re: Elle]
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01/08/12 10:12 PM
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According to Sock Puppet & Scripture it is not possible that everyone will be saved... ...According to Sock Puppet it was a real possibility that NO ONE would have been saved. ...If creature christ would have sinned & lost his salvation. ...His tomb as well as all the others would have NEVER been opened.
That equates to GAME OVER.
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Re: Does All Being Saved in the End and Nobody Being Lost Have Biblical Support?
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01/09/12 11:39 AM
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According to Sock Puppet & Scripture it is not possible that everyone will be saved... ...According to Sock Puppet it was a real possibility that NO ONE would have been saved. ...If creature christ would have sinned & lost his salvation. ...His tomb as well as all the others would have NEVER been opened.
That equates to GAME OVER. You have made Ellen White into a sock puppet, which I agree with Kland it is quite derogatory. I do agree that at time G-d will talk through a person in such fashion, just as He has done with the donkey; however it is only in exception. Ellen and James has never encouraged your extreme position. Nor have they encouraged to rely on Ellen's words to settle doctrinal grounds. I recommend you watch this video. FP782 - The Great Gulf Joseph Smith vs. Ellen White on the Relation of the Gift of Prophecy http://betterlifetv.tv/watch_videos_now.php?ProgID=15As for your false statement that there are no scriptures saying that all would be saved, I see you were too lazy to check the scriptures I have provided nor read the Jubilee Law . Do your christian duty as Ellen and James told us to do, and test all things by studying your Bible including current Church beliefs less you find yourself not following Jesus but some form of idol that you have fabricated yourself. We all do that. We all have idols in our hearts that we elevate above the leading of G-d which blinds us and grinds us down. At least if we can recognize them, then we can be on guard about them being in the way and work with G-d to remove them.
Blessings
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Re: Does All Being Saved in the End and Nobody Being Lost Have Biblical Support?
[Re: Harold Fair]
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01/09/12 12:11 PM
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If anyone would just read John 3:16, it should clear it up. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Now. I see some as having 'everlasting life' and some that perish. What do you see? Harold, that text doesn't say what your are seeing and implying. It says explicitly " that whosoever believeth in him should not perish". We know that everyone will come to believe in Him, not necessary in this lifetime but for sure at the Great White Throne of Judgment because 1)G-d has sworn that everyone will worship him and will pledge allegiance to him(Is 45:23). 2)Jesus said that if he be " lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." 1Jn 12:32 Harold what are you doing with these texts plus all the other texts I have provided that says all will be saved??? Have you swept them under the carpet? There's much to consider and relook at what we thought we knew that maybe we were blinded. I was and I'm still am in many areas as I just started to revisit all doctrines and there's much to study. It's time to get some eye salve from Jesus. He has promised us to personally teach us the truth 1Jn2:27.
Blessings
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Re: Does All Being Saved in the End and Nobody Being Lost Have Biblical Support?
[Re: Daryl]
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01/09/12 12:48 PM
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There is also this one: Psalm 145:20 The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy. I have answered GC about this in page 2. Here is what I said Look at the word abad (H6)and apollumi(G622 ) both these words means destroy and lost. When we reason, often we relate to words according to the world definition and philosophy. In our mind “destroy” means “finish”, “not repairable” etc. This doesn’t mean that this is G-d’s definition and perspective of it. Jesus told 3 parables one after the other about the “lost”(appolumi) sheep, the “lost”(appolumi) coin and the prodigal son, in all 3 parables, all were found. G-d’s plan of salvation involves a “destruction” or “lost” process before someone can be “saved” or “found”.
When studying, we should diligently always seek G-d definition of words and not accept and always put doubt on the current worlds definition that was given to us. If we do not seek G-d’s definition, then we will find many contradiction in the Bible.
I understand that it was just a note and I didn't give much details about it as if you look up those words yourself, you will see what I mean. I have elaborated on this in one or two other topics in this forum in the pass which I don't remember where. I'll work on something later on, but first I need to finish answering your other post reply about the lake of fire and 2nd death. This is getting beyond the scope of this topic as each of these requires extensive Biblical study, but I understand that some brief investigation is necessary. As for the question of this topic " Does All Being Saved in the End and Nobody Being Lost Have Biblical Support?" I believe that I have provided sufficient Biblical support with the foundational Type of the Jubilee Law that anyone can see that potentially that it was in G-d's plan to save everyone.
Blessings
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