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Re: Lesson #1 (1st Quarter 2012): The Triune God [Re: Daryl] #138659
01/09/12 12:18 AM
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If I may ask you Daryl...
...What specifically is IT that makes the three members of the Godhead equal such as the article maintains?

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Re: Lesson #1 (1st Quarter 2012): The Triune God [Re: Daryl] #138660
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Here is an interesting quote from that article:

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"Men may get up scheme after scheme, and the enemy will seek to seduce souls from the truth; but all who believe that the Lord has spoken through Sister White, and has given her a message, will be safe from the many delusions that will come in these last days."


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #1 (1st Quarter 2012): The Triune God [Re: Daryl] #138661
01/09/12 12:29 AM
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And then there is this:
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These inspired writings must prevail as our exclusive authority. Those who speak of the need to return to the teachings of the pioneers need to remember this: Only one pioneer was inspired, and her name was Ellen G. White. About her writings she wrote, "There is one straight chain of truth, without one heretical sentcnce, in that which I have written." ~ Ellen White wrote no such endorsement concerning anyone else's writings-except, of course, the Bible. We cannot therefore assume that anything the pioneers taught aboLit any subject must therefore be true. Only the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy writings arc frec of doctrinal error.


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #1 (1st Quarter 2012): The Triune God [Re: Daryl] #138662
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In direct relation to the Trinity is the following:
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Both Scripture and the writings of Ellen White are clear that the Holy Spirit is God, as well as a Personal Being. Repeatedly, in His promise to His disciples to send the Holy Spirit, Christ refers to this Spirit by such pronouns as '''He'' and ·'Him." See John 14:16-17; 15:26; 16:7, 13-14. In giving the Great Commission just before His ascension, Jesus phlced the Holy Ghost alongside His Father's name and His own name, declaring that His followers should be baptized in the name of all three. See Matthew 28: 19. In the book of Acts, Peler accused Ananias of lying 10 the Holy Ghost (see Acts 5:3), and in the following verse stated to him, "thou hast not lied UNTO men, but unto God." Verse 4.


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #1 (1st Quarter 2012): The Triune God [Re: Daryl] #138663
01/09/12 12:40 AM
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Then there is this:
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The Spirit of Prophecy writings are equally clear on this point. While some have insisted that the word Trinity is a Catholic term never used by Ellen White, the following statement uses the word trio, which means exactly the same thing: "The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of hcaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ."

I hope you will read the rest there about what EGW says about the Holy Spirit, etc.


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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #1 (1st Quarter 2012): The Triune God [Re: Daryl] #138664
01/09/12 12:41 AM
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Sister White
"Living Temple contains the alpha of these theories. I knew that the omega would follow in a little while; and I trembled for our people. I knew that I must warn our brethren and sisters not to enter into controversy over the presence AND PERSONALITY OF GOD." (SM1 - 203)

From prior to it's inception to after the death of God's Sock Puppet ( Sister White )...
...The Personality of God meant ONLY one thing.
...And that was God was a literal Person with a literal body in a literal dwelling place.

This was promulgated with great velocity for over 50 years.

Sister White
The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of re­organisation.”

The Personality of God just wasn't a Pillar...
...It was THE Pillar everything distinctive to Seventh-day Adventists rested upon.

Do you believe that one can be Trinitarian AND Anthropomorphite at the same time?


As for the article claiming we shouldn't listen to the Pioneers...
...Because Sister White was the one inspired ( which I agree ).
...We will simply allow Sock Puppet to educate us on the truth spoken via the Pioneers.

Sister White
God has given me light regarding our periodicals. What is it?--He said that the dead are to speak. How?--Their works shall follow them. We ARE to repeat the words of the pioneers in our work, who knew what it cost to search for the truth as for hidden treasure, and who labored to lay the foundation of our work. They moved forward step by step under the influence of the Spirit of God. One by one these pioneers are passing away. The word given me is, Let that which these men have written in the past be reproduced. . . .

Let the truths that ARE the foundation of our faith be kept before the people. Some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. They talk science, and the enemy comes in and gives them an abundance of science; but it is not the science of salvation. It is not the science of humility, of consecration, or of the sanctification of the spirit. We are now to understand what the pillars of our faith are,-- the truths that have made us as a people what we are, leading us on step by step
.-- Review and Herald, May 25, 1905

That's "inspired instruction" that what I've been posting of the Pioneers...
...Which explicitly state that God is a literal Person with a body that has member, part & ALL the organs of a perfect man.
...IS THE TRUTH.

Again, Sock Puppet assures us through the very power of God...
...That what the Pioneers were saying was 'truth'.

Sister White.
I am instructed that the Lord, by His infinite power, has preserved the right hand of His messenger for more than half a century, in order that the truth may be written out as He bids me write it for publication, in periodicals and books, Why?-- Because if it were not thus written out, when the pioneers in the faith shall die, there would be many, new in the faith, who would sometimes accept as messages of truth teachings that contain erroneous sentiments and dangerous fallacies. Sometimes that which men teach as "special light" is in reality specious error, which, as tares sown among the wheat, will spring up and produce a baleful harvest. And errors of this sort will be entertained by some until the close of this earth's history. {TDG
126.1}



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Re: Lesson #1 (1st Quarter 2012): The Triune God [Re: cephalopod] #138668
01/09/12 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted By: D.F.

I hope you will read the rest there about what EGW says about the Holy Spirit, etc.


I did read it and I can tell you what Ellen said about the Holy Spirit wasn't in contrast to what the Pioneers said about "IT" either.


Signs of the Times, 1912, Vol 39 # 32

3829 — The Holy Spirit n Personality?

Question:
Can't we say that the Holy Spirit is a
personality, as long as the personal pronoun
is attributed to it? T. A. Z.


Answer:
The use of the personal pronoun is not of itself proof that the Holy Spirit is a personality, and yet the work of the Spirit is the work of a personality. By the Spirit both the Father and the Son come personally to every soul that receives the Spirit. In that wonderful sense which no human being can comprehend, the Spirit comes to each soul as a personality. And yet it does not have what we would call human personality of being in one place only at one time, that is, such personality as has our Lord Himself — in one place as He is in no other place. The Holy Spirit may be in any number of places at one and the same time, bringing the special presence of God in each of those places. In the office of the "Signs of the Times" there are fourteen different telephones all connecting with the manager. The manager may connect all these with him at one and the same time. He could issue a general order so that the foreman of each department could hear his voice at the same time. In a way he is personally present in every department. Every department hears his voice. The marvelous invention of the telephone makes him present in fifteen different places at the same time. So it is that God's Spirit makes the Father and the Son present in as many different places as God may direct, at one and the same time. We know somewhat of the working. We understand how it is to some extent of the Lord's ways and methods. We see the effects, but we know almost nothing of the nature and the power that Infinity uses to communicate with man. Let us be willing to leave it there. In some instances the Spirit is represented as the great life of God. In some it is spoken of as a power that is poured out and shed forth. To the individual it comes as the representative of the personal God. Therefore it may be spoken of as a personality, and looking at it from another view-point, as not a personality.


Revew and Herald, Sept 6, 1892

Is God a Spirit?

Question:
If God is a spirit (John 4:24) and at the same time a person (Dan 7:9) would not the same reasoning prove that the Holy Spirit is a PERSON as referred to in John 4: 26?

Answer:
NO - For God is elsewhere described and represented as a Person; but the Holy Spirit is not. The fact that the Holy Spirit is personified John 14 and thus spoken of as acting in a personal and individual manner does NOT prove it to be a person any more than the fact that love is spoken of in 1 Cor 13 as performing certain acts and exercising certain emotions, prove that charity or love is a person.


That's the theme of the Pioneers....
...Who by the way had ZERO problem calling Jesus "God".
...Yet theologically were explicit he wan't God in the same way the Father was.

I'm not telling you a lie here...
...This issue is ALL about; "The Personality of God".

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Re: Lesson #1 (1st Quarter 2012): The Triune God [Re: Mountain Man] #138670
01/09/12 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted By: Quote EGW

Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father—one in nature, in character, in purpose—the ONLY being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. (PP 34.1)


As you said, God = The Father who is a literal 'being'...
...And the Son = another literal being.
...Opp's, the H.S. does NOT get to attend ALL the councils of God & know His purposes.





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Re: Lesson #1 (1st Quarter 2012): The Triune God [Re: cephalopod] #138732
01/12/12 01:02 AM
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Not that obvious, in the end, though, but God's Son personally is Saviour of the world, because he is God himself in the person of his Son.

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Re: Lesson #1 (1st Quarter 2012): The Triune God [Re: Colin] #138736
01/12/12 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted By: Colin
Not that obvious, in the end, though, but God's Son personally is Saviour of the world, because he is God himself in the person of his Son.


No, Sister White was explicit that it would be impossible for Deity to sink and die...
...While at the same time was explict that it was VERY POSSIBLE.
...For creature christ to sink and die AND to eternally cease to exist.
...And for the record she said it was the pre-Incarnate Son that would have ceased to exist.

So yes, it's true that Adventists can absolutely call Jesus God...
...It is for a VASTLY different reason than Father God is called God.
...And that's the Pioneer Faith confirmed by Sister White.

Had creature christ 'screwed up' and not remained loyal...
...The true only wise God would have annihilated him.
...Excactly as Sister White codified.

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