I wasn't always vigilent in recording texts as I encountered them especially those in the OT when I started to study the laws. So many are missing.

This is what I have registered in my study notebook up to now pertaining to the

NT : Acts 3:25; Gal 3:8; Act 3:21, Ep 1:9,10; Col 1:20; Rm 8:19-23; 2Co 5:19; Rm 5:17-19; 1Co 15:22; Rm 11:32; 1Co 15:24-28; Ph 2:9-11; 1Tim 4:10; 1Tim 2:1-6; 1Jn 4:14; Jn 3:17; 1Jn 2:2; Jn 1:29; 1Jn 3:8; Rev 21:4,5; Jn 3:35; Jn 6:37-39; Jn 12:32; Heb 13:5; Luk 19:10; Rm 8:38,39;

OT : Gn 12:3, 22:18; Ps 148:6; Ps 82:8; Ps 36:6; Ps 103:6; Is 1:27; Is 26:9; Ecc 3:14; Hab 1:12; Num 14:21; Is 45:23-28; Ps 94:10; Ps 51:13; Lev 25; Is 32:16,17; Hs 10:12; Is 2:4; Mic 4:3; etc...

BTW I answered your other post before this one. see it on page 1.

Ok, let's backtrack a step and make sure that we are on the same page. Let us look at the issue of "brethren" or "kinsmen" to see if all people are of the same stock. Are all people in the same "brotherhood" or family according to the Bible?

Here are some texts which help to define the relationship which exists between God's people and the rest of the world.



Those verses indicate that there is a difference between God's people and others. The "stranger" was not a "brother," and it is expressly said that a different form of relationship should or could be had with the stranger than one would have with his brother.

Now, although those texts might establish that not all people are considered our kinsmen, they still leave the question about God a little open, considering that God is in a different category to ourselves. The following passage, taken from the first verses of Malachi, gives us God's position in this.



So the Lord does not claim to treat even legitimate brothers (according to the flesh) the same, nor to love them the same. Will God redeem Esau whom he hates and destroys?

It seems one cannot both redeem and destroy at the same time, right? One cannot be both good and bad at the same time. We have to make some clear distinctions here, and the Bible is clear with us. God does not accept all people as His. God makes clear distinctions, and the line falls between those who love and obey Him, who put their faith in Him, and those who reject Him, who have no special love for nor trust in God. That line of distinction is clear in many places throughout the Word of God.

Paul, in the New Testament, continues the distinction, speaking of "false brethren" in Galatians, and his blessing to the Ephesians stands in stark contrast to verses in Isaiah:



Do the wicked have love, peace, and faith? Obviously not. Would you agree, Elle, that some are righteous and some are wicked, and that the two are not the same? If so, does it not appear that a clear distinction is made between these two in terms of God's relationship to/with them?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Elle, will Satan and the evil angels be in heaven, too? That is, will they be saved and inherit eternal life?

G-d did not reveal much concerning the angels. No one really knows and all we can do is speculate. The Bible is written for the salvation of man which Yah has revealed that all will be saved.

Saying something doesn't make it so, however pleasant it might be and however much we might fancy the idea.

God has never said that all will be saved. Quite the contrary, the Bible speaks of people being lost, destroyed, damned, etc., all of which are opposite to that of being "saved."

What God has told us is that He has the power to save anyone. It's unfortunate that many do not choose to allow Him to save them. It's even less fortunate that some of these have had the truth, have wanted very much to be saved, and probably thought they would be saved, only to find out too late that they were not.

A verse comes to mind from the Bible that speaks of some who are not saved.


We are in the time of harvest now. The final harvest is almost ready, and the latter rain is coming. Are we saved?


Salvation is not to be taken lightly. It is a serious matter. We are to work out our salvation "with fear and trembling."

None of these texts imply that it is safe to simply coast through life trusting that in the end we will all go to the same place--we'll all be saved--so it doesn't matter what we do. That is pure satanic pablum. Satan knows how much of an uphill battle the Christian soldier faces, and he knows that some will be tempted to believe a lie that would ease their burden. If they could be persuaded to accept that everyone will be saved, they would relax their guard, and oppose him less fiercely. Satan wins to have us believe that all will be saved.

Consider well these things.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

GC, even if the Bible makes a distinction between a clan and another(Jacob vs. Essau, Israelites vs. foreigners/nations ) it is irrelevant when we compare to Jesus’ right of redemption. You are comparing man with man, man versus a clan. We are all sons of fallen men, whereas Jesus is, directly from conception, the son of God AND the sons of fallen men. Jesus is the only man that could be an ADAM. So Jesus cannot be compare as man versus man, but Adam versus Last Adam. Adam was a son of God as he was created directly from God and did not descend from another man. The uniqueness of the nature of Jesus’ birth makes him NEAR kinsman(flesh & Blood) of all man on earth that gives Him that right of redemption.

Paul makes the point that Jesus did not come as an angel, but "flesh and blood" which this makes him a "brother" to all man. I do not fully understand why it is so, but for sure I know Jesus fulfilled all the Laws given to Moses including the law of redemption.


Near Kinsman Define
In the lower level when comparing man with man, according to the law of redemption stated in Lev 25:23-55 not all Israelites were near kinsmen among each other. Even if both where of the same tribe. Near kinsmen where define by approximate family. Lev 25:49 “49 Either his uncle or his uncle's son may redeem him, or any that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him;” All were kinsman as all came from Jacob or as far as Adam, but according to the law of redemption, you needed to be a NEAR kinsman(uncle, cousins, or “nigh of kin” could be 2nd cousins) to have the right of redemption. We have the story of Ruth and Boaz where Boaz was considered a near kinsman(maybe a 2nd cousin), but someone was closer that had the first right to purchase Ruth.

The Right of Redemption
A near kinsman that had the right of redemption, could buy the debt of his kinsman and the slave-master has no choice to release the slave because it is LAW. However, if you are not a near kinsman, then the slave-master is not oblige to release the slave. This is why, according to the LAW it is important that Jesus was a near kinsman to ALL MEN on EARTH so He could exercise His RIGHTS according to the law and purchase any man if he desire to and the slave-master has no choice to release his slave.

NT : Act 3:25; Gal 3:8; Act 3:21, Ep 1:9,10; Col 1:20; Rm 8:19-23; 2Co 5:19; Rm 5:17-19; 1Co 15:22; Rm 11:32; 1Co 15:24-28; Ph 2:9-11; 1Tim 4:10; 1Tim 2:1-6; 1Jn 4:14; Jn 3:17; 1Jn 2:2; Jn 1:29; 1Jn 3:8; Rev 21:4,5; Jn 3:35; Jn 6:37-39; Jn 12:32; Heb 13:5; Luk 19:10; Rm 8:38,39;

OT : Gn 12:3, 22:18; Ps 148:6; Ps 82:8; Ps 36:6; Ps 103:6; Is 1:27; Is 26:9; Ecc 3:14; Hab 1:12; Num 14:21; Is 45:23-28; Ps 94:10; Ps 51:13; Lev 25; Is 32:16,17; Hs 10:12; Is 2:4; Mic 4:3; etc...

What have you done with these texts GC? Especially Is 45:23-28. Be careful.

Look at the word abad (H6)and apollumi(G622 ) both these words means destroy and lost. When we reason, often we relate to words according to the world definition and philosophy. In our mind “destroy” means “finish”, “not repairable” etc. This doesn’t mean that this is G-d’s definition and perspective of it. Jesus told 3 parables one after the other about the “lost”(appolumi) sheep, the “lost”(appolumi) coin and the prodigal son, in all 3 parables, all were found. G-d’s plan of salvation involves a “destruction” or “lost” process before someone can be “saved” or “found”.

When studying, we should diligently always seek G-d definition of words and not accept and always put doubt on the current worlds definition that was given to us. If we do not seek G-d’s definition, then we will find many contradiction in the Bible.

Yes, anyone breaking the law will be judge with fire. Some are judge today, some later depending whom the Father chooses and sends to Jesus. Jesus said “AV Lk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes]. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!”

Jesus calls the law a “fire”. Fire is the biblical symbol of the judgment of G-d’s law.(Deut 33:2; Jer 23:29) It was never meant to be a literal fire that tortures people. G-d’s law does not prescribe punishment, but restitution.

The “flogging” here was aimed towards the believers. Some knew the Lord's will while others did not, but both were rebellious. The flogging is in proportion to what they knew and how much was ask from the Lord. The flogging is prescribed here as the correction -- a form of "fire" aimed towards children/believers (Prov 13:24) that was concluded rather quickly. This did not bring death and it was strictly limited according to the law to forty lashes(Deut. 25:1-3).

G-d corrects those He loves. Not only that He loves the Church by which He has chosen to put them through Jesus' baptism of fire first. But G-d also loves the World and will judge them also in later time. John 3:17. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world [merely] to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him.

G-d’s judgments are remedial, Prov 22:15 “Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; the rod of discipline will remove it far from him.” That is why G-d said in AV Hab 1:12 . [Art] thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die. O LORD, thou hast ordained them for judgment; and, O mighty God, thou hast established them for correction.”

Elle,

Simple question. Why will there be "weeping and gnashing of teeth" when the "wicked" learn that they are forever lost--if actually, they are saved?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I appreciate the question GC. I just read all the texts relating to "gnashing of teeth and the weeping". None of those text says they are “forever lost”. The “darkness” skotos(g4655) root word is skia(4639) “shade” or a shadow fig. darkness of error or an adumbration. It does not denote the lake of fire, but I believe it is a figure of the state of their mind when they realize the truth during judgment.

All these texts are directed to the “wicked”, but not to the “wicked unbelievers”, but to the “wicked believers” or as it is worded “the unfaithful servants”.

Jesus Correcting Superiority thinking of the Jewish
Mat 8:8 “The centurion…Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed….12.the children of the kingdom shall be cast out….there shall be weeping and gnashing…” Jesus made this comment to the disciples as they were surprised that Jesus said that he “have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel”. That couldn’t be possible according to the mind set of the Jews and of the Israelites of old who thought of themselves superior and blessed over all other nations. Jesus read their mind and made that comment that judgment has come and G-d makes no favoritism. The house of Judah will be judge and Jesus pronounced it when he found no fruit in the fig tree and in the parable of the G-d’s vineyard.

Not caring for G-d's Wedding
Mat 22:13 “4... come to the marriage.... 6 ..the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them....8…wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy….13Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him in to outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gna….”

This parable says very clearly that the wedding hall will be filled with others and the "chosen" servants of G-d will be thrown in the outer darkness. G-d will not spare them and will give the kingdom of God to others.

The Evil Servant that opresses others and does what he please
Mat 24:51 48 “But …evil servant shall say… My lord delayeth 49.…begin to smite his fellowservants… 51. And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gna….” Again this is directed to a “servant” (a believer) who is oppressing others.

The Israelites were pretentious in thinking that they could do anything and G-d would always spare them because they were the “chosen” ones. So in many war, the Israelites thought that G-d would be on their “side” and they had the right to rule others and to oppress them. They thought they were immune to G-d's law and G-d would never depart from them. However Jesus said very clearly in Is 5:1-7 and in Mat 21:33-45 with the vineyard keepers that G-d would come to judge them and give the kingdom of God to another.

We as SDAs have the same attitude as the Jewish nation and the Israelites in the OT times. We think that we are the “chosen” ones and we can go on being fruitless. Just as He did with the Israelites and the Jews, will be done to any other fruitless churches in our days. When Jesus will come with His coat dipped in blood(as a Joseph Type) judging all people with his two-edges tongue, SDAs will not be spared as well as any other denominations and will be judge. The truth will exposed their fruitless and unworthy heart, and the wicked believers with dissapointment of mind will be "gnashing of teeth and weeping”.

I see the "gnashing of teeth and the weeping" as a figure of a too late awaken conscience realizing they lost their privilege to be co-heir with Christ and rule the earth over all nations.