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Re: Astronomy question [Re: jamesonofthunder] #139730
02/13/12 05:52 PM
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"And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth." Does this passage imply earth existed when Satan cast the angels out of heaven? If so, did he cast them from heaven to earth before Jesus created A&E? Or, did he cast them from heaven to earth when Jesus cried "It is finished" on the cross? If so, did the evil angels reside in heaven until Jesus cried "It is finished" on the cross?

Also, does the war, in a general sense, continue until the day Lucifer dies in the lake of fire and the earth is made new?

Re: Astronomy question [Re: Mountain Man] #139738
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
"And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth." Does this passage imply earth existed when Satan cast the angels out of heaven? If so, did he cast them from heaven to earth before Jesus created A&E? Or, did he cast them from heaven to earth when Jesus cried "It is finished" on the cross? If so, did the evil angels reside in heaven until Jesus cried "It is finished" on the cross?

Also, does the war, in a general sense, continue until the day Lucifer dies in the lake of fire and the earth is made new?


Luke 11:24 “When the unclean spirit has gone out... it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and finding none it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’

Satan's lie drew 1/3 of the angels to fall but they had nowhere to go. Satan showed himself at the Garden of Eden to Eve and caused her fall who in the same pattern as the devil then led Adam to fall. Then the fallen angels had a home and Satan was the representative of Earth until the second Adam Jesus.

During the period after Adams fall, but before Jesus came, only Satan was permitted, as in the book of Job, into the assembly chamber of heaven where the 'sons of God' come before the throne. The other demons stayed here on earth while Satan came before God.

Jesus came and took the crown of earth away from the devil and now stands in the place that Adam once held. This is when Satan was permanently cast out of heaven and since he was the representative of the fallen angels they all lost their voice there.

We are at the end of the Great controversy. The war in heaven is finished and has been since the cross.

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.

"Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time. Revelation 12:12.

Now Satan is more determined than ever to destroy the people of God because he knows his head has been bruised and death is coming for him and he is trying to hurt God as much as he can.

He lost his place in heaven, then lost the place he stole from Adam in heaven. Now he is being cast out of the hearts of the people of God and will be incarcerated for 1000 years at the second coming.

THEN after the 1000 year abyss, during the final act of rebellion against God, while trying to overthrow the gates of heaven he will be cast to the ground before the heavenly universe in judgment as recorded in Ezechiel 28;

13 You were in Eden, the garden of God...
14 You were an anointed guardian cherub...
you were on the holy mountain of God;
in the midst of the stones of fire (stars) you walked.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created,
till unrighteousness was found in you.
16 In the abundance of your trade (lies)
you were filled with violence in your midst, and you sinned;
so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God...
I cast you to the ground;
I exposed you before kings
,
to feast their eyes on you.
18 By the multitude of your iniquities,
in the unrighteousness of your trade
you profaned your sanctuaries;
so I brought fire out from your midst;
it consumed you.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Astronomy question [Re: jamesonofthunder] #139741
02/14/12 12:58 AM
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James, thank you. I happen to believe the evil angels were cast to earth before Jesus recreated it and populated it with plants, animals, and people. I realize you disagree.

Re: Astronomy question [Re: Mountain Man] #139747
02/14/12 02:27 PM
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Jesus recreated the earth?

You mean, that's where you think the fossils come from?

Re: Astronomy question [Re: kland] #139754
02/14/12 04:26 PM
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Fossils? They are part of the Flood. By "recreated" I'm referring to what Jesus did with our planet 6,000 years ago, namely, He spoke and thereby rearranged the water-covered planet into plants, animals, and people. I believe He initially created our water-covered planet a long, long time ago. It sat in space uninhabited until Jesus recreated it 6,000 years ago.

Re: Astronomy question [Re: Mountain Man] #139770
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Ah. But the way you re-said it makes sound like he worked with existing material to create plants, animals, and people. I think that's possible and makes sense, but it appears Ellen White cautions against that.

Re: Astronomy question [Re: kland] #139777
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The preexisting water and minerals He worked with were also created by Jesus. Some people think "replenish the earth" in the proclamation "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it" implies previous inhabitants suffered extinction. I disagree.

Re: Astronomy question [Re: Mountain Man] #139792
02/15/12 06:40 PM
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Water CANNOT come into existence without an atmosphere. The atmosphere cannot exist without a sun. The sun was created on the fourth day of creation. Your reasoning does not even follow rational scientific methodology let alone biblical reasoning. But you go ahead with teaching your comprehension. We'll see what it gets you in the end.

To be clear, on the first day of creation there was light, but it was not from the celestial sun, it was the creative power of God, that under this power separated the atmosphere and sustained the plants. But there was not the order of things that could supply one bit of support for your theory.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Astronomy question [Re: Mountain Man] #139793
02/15/12 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
The preexisting water and minerals He worked with were also created by Jesus. Some people think "replenish the earth" in the proclamation "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it" implies previous inhabitants suffered extinction. I disagree.


Much of what you teach are from the church of Scientology. Just thought you would like to know that since you claim to be Adventist.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Astronomy question [Re: jamesonofthunder] #139796
02/15/12 08:29 PM
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Job 38
The LORD Answers Job
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:
2 “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Dress for action like a man;
I will question you, and you make it known to me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.

5 Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6 On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors
when it burst out from the womb,
9 when I made clouds its garment
and thick darkness its swaddling band,
10 and prescribed limits for it
and set bars and doors,
11 and said, ‘Thus far shall you come, and no farther,
and here shall your proud waves be stayed’?


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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