You know what is worse than being lost and in trouble and not know the way?

What is worse than being lost and not knowing the way is when somebody comes along and tells you that because you are lost, one day they are going to find you; and then you are really going to get it, and pay for it dearly.

Tell you the truth I’d rather stay lost.

Rosangela: The love of God is the most important thing in the world, and the only thing which can win the sinner's heart, but His love is not weak.

Tom: The fact that God gave His only Son that we might be saved from our sins is proof that His love is not weak.

John: I'm glad Rosangela sees things the way she does; for it's the same way the Bible writers and Ellen White saw things.

Tom: No one saw things like Anselm did until Anselm. The idea that Christ was sacrificed in order to keep God from killing us was not even a thought for 1000 years.

John: Look at what Paul said to Felix, for instance:

"And as he reasoned of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come, Felix trembled, and answered, Go thy way for this time; when I have a convenient season, I will call for thee." Acts 24:25

If you don't think God will punish sinners, you're preaching "another gospel." It's just that simple.

Tom: I don't know why you quoted the Scripture you did. How is that an example of God's punishing sinners? At any rate, no one doubts that God will punish sinners. What that entails is the matter under discussion. According to the Spirit of Prophesy, the light of the glory of God, which gives life to the righteous, slays the wicked. This means that it is not a difference in God which results in the death of the wicked, but a difference in sinners.

What would you all think of a judge whose son has killed a boy and raped a girl; he is caught but, before facing trial, he repents of his crimes. At the trial the judge, his father, says: “You have committed two crimes, but since you have repented of these crimes you are acquitted and can go free.” In your opinion people would say this is a righteous judge and a good father or not? Why?

If this last example would be true for how our cases are judged in heaven, no one of human kind would be saved. Ever! For as it is written, there is not one righteous human, except for Jesus all humans have strayed from the will of God. All of us have sinned and fallen short of Gods law. Yet, in Jesus we can have life. How is this possible? It is the mystery that the entire bible explores.

/Thomas

Ephesians 3
2Surely you have heard about the administration of God's grace that was given to me for you, 3that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God's holy apostles and prophets. 6This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 1
7In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace 8that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding. 9And he[d] made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10to be put into effect when the times will have reached their fulfillment—to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.

11In him we were also chosen,[e] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession—to the praise of his glory.

If the judge is righteous, he would recuse himself, which is, interestingly enough, just what God the Father did (John 5:22).

Thomas,

I think you didn´t understand the question? Please read it again.

Tom,

The father and judge in my question is God the Son.

Amen,Thomas!!!!

If the judge is righteous, he would recuse himself, which is, interestingly enough, just what God the Son did (John 12:47).