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Re: Did the Sabbath exist before creation? [Re: asygo] #140007
02/23/12 10:54 AM
02/23/12 10:54 AM
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Getting back to the Sabbath, it is reasonable to believe that all creatures need periodic rest and a time set aside for worship.

Yes, and that they needed it before man was created.

Re: Did the Sabbath exist before creation? [Re: Rick H] #140009
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Originally Posted By: Rick H

19 I will rejoice over Jerusalem
and take delight in my people;
the sound of weeping and of crying
will be heard in it no more.
20 “Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred
will be considered accursed.

21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the work of their hands.
23 They will not labor in vain,
nor will they bear children doomed to misfortune;
for they will be a people blessed by the LORD,
they and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer;
while they are still speaking I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
and dust will be the serpent’s food.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,”
says the LORD.

There's another thread for this topic that you can find HERE.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Did the Sabbath exist before creation? [Re: Green Cochoa] #140018
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I still have a problem trying to understand the answer to the question. "Did the sabbath exist before creation?" Biblically, no. Unless Mark 2:27, 28 is wrong.


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Re: Did the Sabbath exist before creation? [Re: Harold Fair] #140028
02/24/12 09:53 AM
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The Bible speaks to us and about us, earth inhabitants; it doesn't speak about heavenly inhabitants being subject to God's law, like us.

Re: Did the Sabbath exist before creation? [Re: Rosangela] #140029
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According to both the Bible and Ellen White, the Sabbath was created during Creation Week. It belongs to our planet. There is no indication ever given that other planets have anything similar. It is possible, of course, but it seems unlikely that it would be the same time.

An analogy that perhaps falls short of the mark would be our independence or national days. Every country has a different one. It would make little sense for folk in England to celebrate September 21, just because it's Belize's day, or July 4, which is America's day. Likewise, we all have different birthdays. The Sabbath is essentially the "birthday" of our world. That is one reason it should never be changed to Sunday. Would you accept your birthday being changed because someone said it should be a different day?

Again, if Ellen White and the Bible are to be believed, the Sabbath did not exist before our Creation Week.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Did the Sabbath exist before creation? [Re: Green Cochoa] #140030
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GC, that's sure an interesting thought. But you don't believe God set the day in motion to coincide with the Sabbath of all the other worlds?

What is the purpose of our Sabbath to the other worlds?

Re: Did the Sabbath exist before creation? [Re: kland] #140039
02/24/12 11:20 PM
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All heaven is keeping the Sabbath, but not in a listless, do-nothing way. {6T 362.1}

The Sabbath commandment is placed in the midst of the Decalogue, and it was instituted in Eden at the same time that God instituted the marriage relation. God gave the Sabbath as a memorial of his creative power and works, "for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." He made its observance obligatory upon man, in order that he might contemplate the works of God, dwell upon his goodness, his mercy, and love, and through nature look up to nature's God. {ST, February 13, 1896 par. 7}

"The importance of the Sabbath as the memorial of creation is that it keeps ever present the true reason why worship is due to God"--because He is the Creator, and we are His creatures. "The Sabbath therefore lies at the very foundation of divine worship, for it teaches this great truth in the most impressive manner, and no other institution does this. The true ground of divine worship, not of that on the seventh day merely, but of all worship, is found in the distinction between the Creator and His creatures. This great fact can never become obsolete, and must never be forgotten."--J. N. Andrews, History of the Sabbath, chapter 27. It was to keep this truth ever before the minds of men, that God instituted the Sabbath in Eden; and so long as the fact that He is our Creator continues to be a reason why we should worship Him, so long the Sabbath will continue as its sign and memorial. {GC 437.2}


We are told that all heaven is keeping the Sabbath. And if we look at the reasons why the Sabbath command exists in the first place, it is not a stretch to see that all of God's creatures would benefit from it. They might not have it the same way, but "a memorial of his creative power and works" would do them good.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Did the Sabbath exist before creation? [Re: asygo] #140063
02/25/12 03:25 PM
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While it seems a nice theory that the Sabbath exists on other worlds, or existed for aeons before creation, there is absolutely no evidence to support it. In fact, both Scripture and EGW explicitly state that it began at the creation of this world.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Did the Sabbath exist before creation? [Re: JAK] #140064
02/25/12 05:40 PM
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How then do you explain that we will be stopping to spend the Sabbath on one of those unfallen worlds on our way to the New Jerusalem in Heaven?


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Daryl smile

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Re: Did the Sabbath exist before creation? [Re: kland] #140104
02/26/12 02:04 PM
02/26/12 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
GC, that's sure an interesting thought. But you don't believe God set the day in motion to coincide with the Sabbath of all the other worlds?

What is the purpose of our Sabbath to the other worlds?


First of all, let's consider a few facts:

1) Planetary motions differ for every known planet--no two are alike that we know of

2) Orbit times also differ

3) Our Sabbath depends on a 24 hour rotation of the earth

4) On other planets, the rotation may be 12, 48, or any other number of hours for one rotation

Now, let's look at the above and make an observation. Suppose we say that every time we reach the 144th hour, we have a Sabbath for the next 24. That is the way it is on our planet. Now, let's go to another planet where the day is 36 hours long instead of 24. Do we make it still the same formula? Of course, if we did that, the "sabbath" would be only 2/3 of a day, and it would immediately follow 4 full days. So each week would then be 4.66666 days long. Not quite seven, eh?

On the other hand, we could say the "sabbath" on each and every planet is always their seventh day. Now we have some planets on a different schedule, like the one with a 36-hour day, which would start sabbath after 216 hours and have it for the next 36 hours. Nice long sabbaths, compared to ours, but very quickly their "sabbath" would be out of sync with ours.

In other words, for "THE SABBATH" to apply to each and every planet equally, you imply that every single inhabited planet enjoys a 24-hour day, just like we do. There's no other way, as I see it.

I don't see our Sabbath having a direct purpose for other worlds. I think, however, that when the earth is made new again, God may institute a universal commemoration of it--tied only to the times of our planet--a sabbath especially for humans, with other planets being invited guests to join in the glad occasion with us.

We know for sure that we will keep Sabbath for eternity. I'm not familiar with any inspired passage telling us that other worlds will be required to join us. I'm sure they would be invited to do so.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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